Re: How and Why Grifters Milk The System.

On Nov 28, 2025 at 10:30:14 PM MST, "pothead" wrote
<[email protected]>:

> On 2025-11-29, Governor Swill <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:41:41 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 19:22:55 -0500, Governor Swill
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2025 01:44:23 -0500, Collectivists_Always_Fail
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 21:54:46 -0500, Governor Swill
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, 23 Nov 2025 15:17:47 -0500, "Joel W. Crump"
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/23/25 2:54 PM, chine.bleu wrote:
>>>>>>>> Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/25 5:14 PM, slothe wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> we'll do basic income, to alleviate the scarcity of
>>>>>>>>>>> employment for these people.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The areas where it would be most needed can't afford it from the tax
>>>>>>>>>> revenue available.  The best option would be to create jobs.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If Elon Musk could build a 10,000,000 square foot auto factory and have
>>>>>>>>>> it running in less than a year - he did, the same red tape cutting could
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What could go wrong with that?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <https://savingtheplaces.com/2016/05/12/the-river-that-caught-fire-1969-and-today/>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> be applied to other industries to create jobs.  Green energy and climate
>>>>>>>>>> crap need not apply.  Machinists, cad / cam and robotic techs preferred.
>>>>>>>>>> If Japan can use remote workers controlling robots to restock 7-11
>>>>>>>>>> orders, why can't the US follow suit?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm not opposed to job creation.  But it has yet to solve this basic
>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And did the Countenance Divine,
>>>>>>>> Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
>>>>>>>> And was Jerusalem builded here,
>>>>>>>> Among these dark Satanic Mills?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <https://diamondenv.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dark-satanic-mills/>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We should want our privilege to be extended to the rest of the world.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's how I was educated.  From grade school we were taught that as
>>>>>> Americans, we had a duty to share our system of government with the
>>>>>> rest of the world.  To teach them that free enterprise was better than
>>>>>> centrally planned economies.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We've done that, and now, the same conservatives that taught us to do
>>>>>> that are horrified that we now have competition.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Isn't competition the calling card of conservative economics?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Indeed... Competition drives improvement.  We just re-evaluated our
>>>>> health insurance and switched to one that served our needs better.
>>>>> Thank goodness that we're not locked into non-competitive government
>>>>> health insurance....   or grocery stores...
>>>> 
>>>> Exactly.  Pity we now have economic competition from so many
>>>> countries.
>>> 
>>> It's good that we''re moving back to competing....
>> 
>> Then why the tariffs?  Don't they artificially contaminate the market?
>> 
>> Why do you shift your opinion depending on the subject being
>> discussed?
>> 
>> "Competition is good until somebody gets better at it than we are."
> 
> There should be fair trade policies and up until Trump trade was highly biased
> against
> the US.
> In a fair market the buyers get to choose and poor products will
> not last while those in demand will.
> The problem is that other countries have been taking advantage of
> the US for a long time and this needs to stop.
> For example China has been manipulating their currency for years.
> That may be unstoppable but the US should encourage manufacturing
> to relocate to the US.
> 
> Personally I'm against this "my tariff is bigger than yours" approach
> but something needs to be done. Tariffs can be a bargaining point
> to at least get a dialog going.
> 
> It's complex.

Trade with the U.S. has long been complex, but it's misleading to say it was
"highly biased against the U.S." before Trump. U.S. tariffs have historically
been low compared to many countries, and U.S. exports often benefit from
strong demand abroad.

Claims that China has been manipulating its currency are partly true -- there
were periods, especially before 2015, when China actively kept the yuan
undervalued to support exports -- but the IMF has noted that in recent years
China's currency policy has been more market-driven.
Encouraging domestic manufacturing is a policy choice, but tariffs are a blunt
tool: studies from the Peterson Institute and the National Bureau of Economic
Research show that tariffs often raise costs for U.S. businesses and consumers
more than they force foreign companies to change behavior.

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