On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Julieta Shem wrote:
> D <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Julieta Shem wrote:
>>
>>> D <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024, Anton Shepelev wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> D:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would assume there is no iron clad proof of this. On the
>>>>>> other hand, as I tell people I know who experienced the
>>>>>> same due to gender or nationality, you don't want to
>>>>>> remain at that company anyway so paradoxically you should
>>>>>> be happy it happened so you can move on to a company that
>>>>>> is more aligned with your values and interests.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's selfish. The existance of such companies is harmful
>>>>> to the entire humanity, not only to persons with differing
>>>>> values.
>>>>
>>>> No, it's rational. Companies are private property and therefore the
>>>> owner may do with them what they wish. The market will sort out
>>>> companies who reject competent employees in time, and companies who
>>>> accept competent employees regardless of color will thrive.
>>>>
>>>> The entity that makes this a problem is the government.
>>>
>>> But isn't government put together by companies?
>>>
>>
>> No it's politicians. What differentiates government and companies is
>> that government govern countries and are back with violence. What
>> defines a company is that it acts on markets and have customers who
>> can voluntarily choose to do business or not with the company.
>
> Together, companies make up a huge amount of money and other kinds of
> power. They finance the campaigns and effectively attract politicians
> who will (un)naturally be docile to their desires. Hasn't times changed
> from monarchies to a new form of government that is simply an oligarchy?
>
> Perhaps you can choose your leader, but that's irrelevant.
>
> Real discussions don't even come up. We have a population that's
> totally vulnerable to propaganda, which is what companies are
> specialized in.
>
Yet you are here pointing this out which disproves what you're saying. If
you and I can realize this, so can others. Not affirming this feels a bit
elitist to me.
But... you are certainly right in what you are saying, but to a big extent
this is due to government interfering in the markets, awarding companies
enormous contracts and protecting them. So you have a downward spiral.
Remove the government and the rest will follow.
Now, one last thing. I admit that I am arguing for a "utopian state" and I
admit that we are today _not_ living in this utopian state. The question
of _how_ to get from today, to a world without governments, and with only
individuals and companies is a different, but very interesting question.
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