Re: Martyrs

On Tue, 29 Apr 2025 14:54:25 +0530, Madhu <[email protected]> wrote:

>* Steve Hayes <[email protected]> :
>Wrote on Tue, 29 Apr 2025 05:01:38 +0200:
>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2025 12:45:11 -0000 (UTC), [email protected]
>> (Richard Tobin) wrote:
>>>>"Thou shalt not murder" is fairly unequivocal.
>>>It could hardly be less unequivocal.  Murder is a legal term whose
>>>meaning has changed over time, and in any case the ten commandments
>>>were not written in English.
>
>> Nevertheless, it is the basis of the conception of suicide as a sin.
>> The Afrikaans word for suicide is "selfmoord" (self-murder).
>
>Without a sound theology the commandment to not kill and the
>commandments to kill (in sacrifice, punishment etc.) are contradictory
>and the resulting dissonance in the faithful is only exploited by satan
>and his money laundering angels for the advancement of his kingdom.
>
>(e.g. the reconcilation in ones mind of the commandment that shedding
>blood is a sin vs. the commandment for atonement of the sin by shedding
>the blood of an innocent victim
>
>The about murder not being less unequivocal stands, and imputing sin to
>suicide doesn't follow from sound exegesis but only exploits the
>internalised hypocrisy in the atonement doctrine)
>
>> Christian theology generally makes a distinction between martyrdfom
>> and suicide. I'm not sure about Islamic theology, and it is their use
>> of "martyrs" to describe victims of bombing that started this thread.
>
>"suicide by sanhedrin" is documented in Acts.

That goes a bit too far beyond the meaning of English words, and
probably belongs in a theology forum.

Origin:

The word "suicide" has been used in the English language since the
14th century. It first appeared in legal texts and was initially
spelled "self-murder." By the 18th century, "suicide" had become the
preferred term.

Source: <https://etymologyworld.com/item/suicide>

I have no doubt that it had its origin in contemporary Christian
theology, but the theological niceties of the justification for the
term stray a bit too far off topic for aue. 




 
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