Re: Satan's Witnesses False Teaching About Prayer

Christ Rose <[email protected]> Mon, 27 Jul 2026 18:07:44 -0500
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The text claims that "Jehovah" is a common name based on the 
Tetragrammaton and implies it should be used in light of Luke 11:2. 
However, the Greek text of Luke 11:2 uses the word "Pater" (Father). 
Jesus did not instruct His followers to address God as "Jehovah," but 
explicitly as "Father." Inserting "Jehovah" into the context of the 
Lord's Prayer contradicts the actual scriptural text provided by Jesus.

Further, the name for God in the Old Testament was YHWH, not "Jehovah". 
The inspired New Testament writers used Kyrios (Lord) to translate YHWH, 
then applied passages about YHWH to Jesus Christ, showing He is YHWH.
The disciples translated the OT name for God (YHWH) as Kyrios
(Lᴏʀᴅ), and attribute the name of YHWH to Jesus:

1. Joel 2:32 → Romans 10:13

      • Joel 2:32 (LXX): “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD
        (Kurios) will be saved.”

      • Romans 10:13: “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD
        (Kurios) will be saved.”

Paul applies this to Jesus in Romans 10:9, identifying Him as the
Kurios on whom we call for salvation.

2. Isaiah 45:23 → Philippians 2:10–11

      • Isaiah 45:23 (LXX): “To Me every knee shall bow, every tongue
        shall confess to God.”

      • Philippians 2:10–11: “At the name of Jesus every knee should
        bow... and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD
        (Kurios).”

Paul applies this passage about YHWH to Jesus, calling Him Kurios.

3. Deuteronomy 6:4 → 1 Corinthians 8:6

      • Deuteronomy 6:4 (LXX): “The LORD (Kurios) our God, the LORD
        (Kurios) is one.”

      • 1 Corinthians 8:6: “Yet for us there is one God, the Father...
        and one LORD (Kurios), Jesus Christ.”

Paul affirms monotheism and includes Jesus as Kurios within the divine
identity.

4. Psalm 34:8 → 1 Peter 2:3

      • Psalm 34:8 (LXX): “Taste and see that the LORD (Kurios) is
        good.”

      • 1 Peter 2:3: “If indeed you have tasted that the LORD
        (Kurios) is good.”


Peter quotes the psalm about YHWH and applies it to Jesus as Kurios.


5. Isaiah 8:13–14 → 1 Peter 3:15; Romans 9:33

      • Isaiah 8:13: “But the LORD (Kurios) of hosts, Him you shall
        honor as holy...”


      • 1 Peter 3:15: “Honor Christ the LORD (Kurios) as holy in your
        hearts.”

      • Isaiah 8:14: “And He will become a sanctuary and a stone of
        stumbling...”


Romans 9:33 and 1 Peter 2:8 apply this stumbling stone to Christ,
identifying Him as the Kurios.


6. Psalm 102:25–27 → Hebrews 1:10–12

      • Psalm 102:25 (LXX): “You, LORD (Kurios), laid the foundation
        of the earth in the beginning.”

      • Hebrews 1:10: “You, LORD (Kurios), laid the foundation of the
        earth in the beginning.”

The writer explicitly says this was spoken “of the Son,” identifying
Jesus as Kurios.

7. Deuteronomy 10:17 → Revelation 19:16

      • Deuteronomy 10:17 (LXX): “For the LORD (Kurios) your God is

        God of gods and LORD (Kurios) of lords.”

      • Revelation 19:16: “King of kings and LORD (Kurios) of lords.”

The title for YHWH is applied to Jesus, who bears the name Kurios of all.

The New Testament authors consistently affirm Kurios as the proper
translation of YHWH and deliberately apply passages about the Kurios
of the Old Testament to Jesus Christ.

Point 2 asserts that believers must not pray to Jesus, using John 14:6 
to support the claim. Scripture explicitly contradicts the prohibition 
against praying to Jesus:

Acts 7:59 records Stephen praying directly to Jesus: "Lord Jesus, 
receive my spirit."

1 Corinthians 1:2 describes Christians as those who "call upon the name 
of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Revelation 22:20 records a direct prayer to Christ: "Amen. Come, Lord 
Jesus!"
Restricting prayer solely to the Father and forbidding prayer to the Son 
ignores these explicit biblical examples and commands.

Point 4 states that "God must consider you a RIGHTEOUS person" for 
prayers to be answered, citing 1 Peter 3:12. While God hears the 
righteous, scripture teaches that no human possesses inherent 
righteousness to merit an audience with God (Romans 3:10). Righteousness 
before God comes strictly through faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 3:21-22, 
2 Corinthians 5:21).

Furthermore, God hears the prayers of the unrighteous who call upon Him 
in repentance, such as the tax collector in Luke 18:13-14 who prayed, 
"God, be merciful to me, a sinner," and went home justified. Framing 
righteousness as a prerequisite condition rather than a result of 
Christ's imputed grace creates a legalistic error.

Point 6 uses Matthew 6:7 to claim that one must "not memorize a prayer 
and say it over and over verbatim." Matthew 6:7 warns against "vain 
repetitions" or "babbling like pagans" who believe sheer word count or 
mechanical repetition forces God to act. Jesus was not forbidding the 
memorization or repetition of righteous prayers. In fact, immediately 
following verse 7, Jesus gives a specific, structured prayer (the Lord's 
Prayer) in Matthew 6:9-13, and in Luke 11:2 He explicitly says, "When 
you pray, say..." Jesus Himself prayed using the exact same words 
repeatedly during His agony in Gethsemane (Matthew 26:44).

“Again, for the second time, he went away and prayed, “My Father, if 
this cannot pass unless I drink it, your will be done.” And again he 
came and found them sleeping, for their eyes were heavy. So, leaving 
them again, he went away and prayed for the third time, saying the same 
words again.” (Matthew 26:42–44, ESV)

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