Re: MRRF advocating "military" religion

On 5/31/2021 8:22 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> On Mon, 31 May 2021 08:19:28 -0700, Bill Flett <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/31/2021 8:09 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 10:01:56 -0500, David Hartung
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/31/21 9:51 AM, Bill Flett wrote:
>>>>> On 5/31/2021 5:24 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/31/21 7:05 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 06:39:45 -0500, David Hartung
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/30/21 9:23 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/21 2:25 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2021 6:35 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is at the tome of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>> website:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "When one proudly dons a U.S. Military Uniform, there is only one
>>>>>>>>>>>> religious symbol: The U.S. Flag. There is only one religious
>>>>>>>>>>>> scripture: the American Constitution. Finally, there is only one
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith: American patriotism."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem that they are int he business of destroying the First
>>>>>>>>>>>> Amendment, rather than defending it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, that's exactly wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is dedicated to
>>>>>>>>>>>      ensuring
>>>>>>>>>>> that all
>>>>>>>>>>>         members of the United States Armed Forces fully receive the
>>>>>>>>>>> Constitutional
>>>>>>>>>>>         guarantees of religious freedom to which they and all
>>>>>>>>>>> Americans
>>>>>>>>>>>      are
>>>>>>>>>>> entitled
>>>>>>>>>>>         by virtue of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         MRFF recognizes that military life requires individual
>>>>>>>>>>>      adherence to
>>>>>>>>>>> shared
>>>>>>>>>>>         patriotic principles. MRFF also recognizes the need for
>>>>>>>>>>>      military
>>>>>>>>>>> personnel to
>>>>>>>>>>>         at times temporarily relinquish some Constitutionally granted
>>>>>>>>>>>      personal    freedoms for the sake of military discipline and
>>>>>>>>>>>      objectives.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         However, MRFF believes that religious faith is a
>>>>>>>>>>>      Constitutionally
>>>>>>>>>>> guaranteed
>>>>>>>>>>>         freedom that must never be compromised, except in the most
>>>>>>>>>>>      limited of    military circumstances, because of its fundamental
>>>>>>>>>>>      importance to the    preservation of the American nation and the
>>>>>>>>>>>      American way of life.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         Additionally, MRFF adheres strongly to the principle that
>>>>>>>>>>>      religious
>>>>>>>>>>> faith is
>>>>>>>>>>>         a deeply personal matter, and that no American has the
>>>>>>>>>>> right to
>>>>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>>>>         another American’s beliefs as long as they do not unwontedly
>>>>>>>>>>>      intrude
>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>         public space or the privacy or safety of another individual.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>         https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/our-mission/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They are staunch, stalwart defenders of the first amendment against
>>>>>>>>>>> the attacks on it by theocratic Taliban-like extremists like you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet they seem to thrive on restricting the religious exercise of
>>>>>>>>>> military members.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>         "Military members" AGREE to sacrifice their
>>>>>>>>> religious obligations when enlisting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh? Please explain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hollowman knows nothing about the military. I serviced [sic in the
>>>>>>> Army for
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I'll just *bet* you "serviced" in the army!  You serviced all the
>>>>> non-comm officers and warrant officers, didn't you?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5 years and there was no such agreement. Quite the contrary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a "Religious Freedom in the Military – FAQ"
>>>>>>> https://firstliberty.org/rights/religious-freedom-in-the-military-faq/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am certain that Firstliberty is not among the sources which Holman
>>>>>> considers to be authoritative
>>>>>
>>>>> With good reason:  it's a far right-wingnut hate group.
>>>>
>>>> As compared to the left wing "main stream" sources you cite?
>>>
>>> Rudy/Bill prefer
>>
>> real news.  Yes.
> 
> This is beyond  rational debate.

Yes, it is.