Re: MRRF advocating "military" religion

On 5/31/2021 9:49 AM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 5/31/21 11:23 AM, Bill Flett wrote:
>> On 5/31/2021 9:15 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 5/31/21 10:14 AM, Bill Flett wrote:
>>>> On 5/31/2021 8:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 5/31/21 9:51 AM, Bill Flett wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/31/2021 5:24 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/31/21 7:05 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 06:39:45 -0500, David Hartung
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/21 9:23 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/21 2:25 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2021 6:35 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is at the tome of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> website:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "When one proudly dons a U.S. Military Uniform, there is only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> religious symbol: The U.S. Flag. There is only one religious
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripture: the American Constitution. Finally, there is only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith: American patriotism."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem that they are int he business of destroying the First
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amendment, rather than defending it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that's exactly wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>       The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is dedicated to
>>>>>>>>>>>>    ensuring
>>>>>>>>>>>> that all
>>>>>>>>>>>>       members of the United States Armed Forces fully receive the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Constitutional
>>>>>>>>>>>>       guarantees of religious freedom to which they and all Americans
>>>>>>>>>>>>    are
>>>>>>>>>>>> entitled
>>>>>>>>>>>>       by virtue of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>       MRFF recognizes that military life requires individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>    adherence to
>>>>>>>>>>>> shared
>>>>>>>>>>>>       patriotic principles. MRFF also recognizes the need for
>>>>>>>>>>>>    military
>>>>>>>>>>>> personnel to
>>>>>>>>>>>>       at times temporarily relinquish some Constitutionally granted
>>>>>>>>>>>>    personal    freedoms for the sake of military discipline and
>>>>>>>>>>>>    objectives.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>       However, MRFF believes that religious faith is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Constitutionally
>>>>>>>>>>>> guaranteed
>>>>>>>>>>>>       freedom that must never be compromised, except in the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>    limited of    military circumstances, because of its fundamental
>>>>>>>>>>>>    importance to the    preservation of the American nation and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>    American way of life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Additionally, MRFF adheres strongly to the principle that
>>>>>>>>>>>>    religious
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith is
>>>>>>>>>>>>       a deeply personal matter, and that no American has the right to
>>>>>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>>>>>       another American’s beliefs as long as they do not unwontedly
>>>>>>>>>>>>    intrude
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>       public space or the privacy or safety of another individual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/our-mission/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They are staunch, stalwart defenders of the first amendment against
>>>>>>>>>>>> the attacks on it by theocratic Taliban-like extremists like you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet they seem to thrive on restricting the religious exercise of
>>>>>>>>>>> military members.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       "Military members" AGREE to sacrifice their
>>>>>>>>>> religious obligations when enlisting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh? Please explain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hollowman knows nothing about the military. I serviced [sic in the Army for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, I'll just *bet* you "serviced" in the army!  You serviced all the 
>>>>>> non-comm officers and warrant officers, didn't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 5 years and there was no such agreement. Quite the contrary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a "Religious Freedom in the Military – FAQ"
>>>>>>>> https://firstliberty.org/rights/religious-freedom-in-the-military-faq/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am certain that Firstliberty is not among the sources which Holman 
>>>>>>> considers to be authoritative
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With good reason:  it's a far right-wingnut hate group.
>>>>>
>>>>> As compared to the left wing "main stream" sources you cite?
>>>>
>>>> I don't cite left wing sources.
>>>
>>> Really?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> So you don't cite the New York Times and the Washington Post?
>>
>> I do cite them.  They are not "left wing."
> 
> Do tell.

I already have done.