Re: MRRF advocating "military" religion

On Mon, 31 May 2021 11:15:19 -0500, David Hartung
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 5/31/21 10:14 AM, Bill Flett wrote:
>> On 5/31/2021 8:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 5/31/21 9:51 AM, Bill Flett wrote:
>>>> On 5/31/2021 5:24 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 5/31/21 7:05 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 31 May 2021 06:39:45 -0500, David Hartung
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/30/21 9:23 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> David Hartung <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/21 2:25 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/30/2021 6:35 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> This is at the tome of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation
>>>>>>>>>>> website:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "When one proudly dons a U.S. Military Uniform, there is only one
>>>>>>>>>>> religious symbol: The U.S. Flag. There is only one religious
>>>>>>>>>>> scripture: the American Constitution. Finally, there is only one
>>>>>>>>>>> faith: American patriotism."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem that they are int he business of destroying the 
>>>>>>>>>>> First
>>>>>>>>>>> Amendment, rather than defending it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, that's exactly wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is dedicated to
>>>>>>>>>>    ensuring
>>>>>>>>>> that all
>>>>>>>>>>       members of the United States Armed Forces fully receive the
>>>>>>>>>> Constitutional
>>>>>>>>>>       guarantees of religious freedom to which they and all 
>>>>>>>>>> Americans
>>>>>>>>>>    are
>>>>>>>>>> entitled
>>>>>>>>>>       by virtue of the Establishment Clause of the First 
>>>>>>>>>> Amendment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       MRFF recognizes that military life requires individual
>>>>>>>>>>    adherence to
>>>>>>>>>> shared
>>>>>>>>>>       patriotic principles. MRFF also recognizes the need for
>>>>>>>>>>    military
>>>>>>>>>> personnel to
>>>>>>>>>>       at times temporarily relinquish some Constitutionally 
>>>>>>>>>> granted
>>>>>>>>>>    personal    freedoms for the sake of military discipline and
>>>>>>>>>>    objectives.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       However, MRFF believes that religious faith is a
>>>>>>>>>>    Constitutionally
>>>>>>>>>> guaranteed
>>>>>>>>>>       freedom that must never be compromised, except in the most
>>>>>>>>>>    limited of    military circumstances, because of its 
>>>>>>>>>> fundamental
>>>>>>>>>>    importance to the    preservation of the American nation and 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>    American way of life.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       Additionally, MRFF adheres strongly to the principle that
>>>>>>>>>>    religious
>>>>>>>>>> faith is
>>>>>>>>>>       a deeply personal matter, and that no American has the 
>>>>>>>>>> right to
>>>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>>>       another American’s beliefs as long as they do not unwontedly
>>>>>>>>>>    intrude
>>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>       public space or the privacy or safety of another individual.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>       https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/our-mission/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are staunch, stalwart defenders of the first amendment 
>>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>> the attacks on it by theocratic Taliban-like extremists like you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet they seem to thrive on restricting the religious exercise of
>>>>>>>>> military members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       "Military members" AGREE to sacrifice their
>>>>>>>> religious obligations when enlisting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh? Please explain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hollowman knows nothing about the military. I serviced [sic in the 
>>>>>> Army for
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I'll just *bet* you "serviced" in the army!  You serviced all the 
>>>> non-comm officers and warrant officers, didn't you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> 5 years and there was no such agreement. Quite the contrary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is a "Religious Freedom in the Military – FAQ"
>>>>>> https://firstliberty.org/rights/religious-freedom-in-the-military-faq/
>>>>>
>>>>> I am certain that Firstliberty is not among the sources which Holman 
>>>>> considers to be authoritative
>>>>
>>>> With good reason:  it's a far right-wingnut hate group.
>>>
>>> As compared to the left wing "main stream" sources you cite?
>> 
>> I don't cite left wing sources.
>
>Really? So you don't cite the New York Times and the Washington Post?

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