Re: The Everyday Misery of Life Under Israeli Occupation

On 5/24/2021 5:51 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 5/24/21 3:41 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> On 5/24/2021 12:38 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 5/24/21 2:20 PM, Bill Flett wrote:
>>>> On 5/24/2021 12:19 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> On 5/24/21 9:29 AM, Bill Flett wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/24/2021 7:09 AM, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 24 May 2021 06:53:05 -0700, Bill Flett <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2021 5:25 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/21 11:05 PM, Bill Flett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/2021 5:49 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/23/21 10:08 AM, Bill Flett wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2021 2:16 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/21 2:22 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An eviction in East Jerusalem lies at the center of a conflict 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that led to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> war between Israel and Hamas. But for millions of Palestinians, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> routine indignities of occupation are part of daily life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By David M. Halbfinger and Adam Rasgon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> May 22, 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JERUSALEM — Muhammad Sandouka built his home in the shadow of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Temple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mount before his second son, now 15, was born.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They demolished it together, after Israeli authorities decided 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that razing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would improve views of the Old City for tourists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Sandouka, 42, a countertop installer, had been at work when an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inspector confronted his wife with two options: Tear the house 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the government would not only level it but also bill the Sandoukas 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $10,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for its expenses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Such is life for Palestinians living under Israel’s occupation: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dreading the knock at the front door.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The looming removal of six Palestinian families from their homes 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in East
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jerusalem set off a round of protests that helped ignite the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest war
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between Israel and Gaza. But to the roughly three million 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palestinians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> living in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Israel captured 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1967 war and has controlled through decades of failed peace talks, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> story was exceptional only because it attracted an international 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spotlight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the most part, they endure the frights and indignities of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israeli
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occupation in obscurity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even in supposedly quiet periods, when the world is not paying 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attention,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palestinians from all walks of life routinely experience exasperating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impossibilities and petty humiliations, bureaucratic controls that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> force
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agonizing choices, and the fragility and cruelty of life under 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> military
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rule, now in its second half-century.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/22/us/israel-gaza-conflict.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel stole the West Bank.  Its occupation of it is illegal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Israel took the West Bank in a defensive war
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It doesn't matter what the nature of the war was.  Taking territory 
>>>>>>>>>>>> in war
>>>>>>>>>>>> is illegal.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet it seems you would have no problem with the Palestinians 
>>>>>>>>>>> destroying Israel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Israel never should have come into existence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No valid reason to create a new state based on a toxic combination of 
>>>>>>>> ethnicity
>>>>>>>> and religion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Look up the UN resolution that created the state of Israel and 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've never read Resolution 181.  It doesn't address why Jews demanded a 
>>>>>> nation-state based on their toxic combination of ethnicity and religion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question, why is the Jewish "combination of ethnicity and religion" toxic
>>>>
>>>> Self evident.
>>>
>>> I see,
>>
>> You don't.  You never do.
> 
> While you are consistently unable to answer the simplest question.

I answer questions that are posed in good faith.  Yours never are.