Re: Defeat Python "Virtual Environment" in Fedora ?

On 3/10/26 10:55, Rich wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc c186282 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 3/9/26 09:59, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>> c186282 <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>     The Python VENV *seems* to be thwarting my
>>>>     ability to run certain hard-core system
>>>>     routines via "os.system()" or related. The
>>>>     'virtual' seems to be for idiot 7-year-olds
>>>>     you don't want to crash the box.
>>>>
>>>>     Well, sometimes, I *want* to crash the box.
>>>
>>> As Jon says, you’ve misdiagnosed your problem.
>>
>>    COULD be ...
>>
>>    But I still note that things that worked clean
>>    and easy pre-VENV now DON'T.
>>
>>    Who/what should I blame ?
>>
>>    There's no POINT in a 'virtual environment/machine'
>>    unless you PLAN to isolate the base machine from
>>    the application to various degrees.
>>
>>> If you actually want someone to help solve your problem then you’ll have
>>> to accurately describe what you are trying and what is happening. In
>>> practice this means posting the exact code you are using and exactly
>>> what happens when you run it.
>>
>>    Too fuckin' old now, not gonna get into a million
>>    details and sub-sub-sub-config-files. I just report
>>    that some lower-level OS commands no longer work
>>    as expected, or at all, using the usual Python
>>    utilities for doing so.
>>
>>    I want the VENV *dead* ... CAN that be done ???
> 
> And, again, much as Jon said, you are blaming "venv's" but given us no
> examples to support your assertion.  It is *very likely* that you
> indeed are blaming the wrong thing.  How about creating a very short
> example that works without a venv but fails within one, and posting
> that example.  That will give others, who may know far more python than
> you do, something to analyze and maybe show you where the problem
> really exists.

   Can't figure out how to zap the VENV in order
   to provide the examples you'd like  :-)

   Seems like, of late, it's entirely baked-in -
   Python is the VENV and the VENV is Python.