Re: Apple changed their documentation at my request but it proves they don't care about privacy

On 2026-09-07 20:06, Maria Sophia wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> These are basic networking concepts.
>>
>> We didn't ask to have it explained. Knowing this is not about skills,
>> though. A mathematician can have very high skills, yet know nothing
>> about networks. Even a skilled computer programmer may not know about
>> them, and be a world master on IBM big iron assembler programming (and
>> being paid handsomely - a tiny fact I happen to know) and not know
>> offhand what the BSSID is.
> 
> Hi Carlos,
> 
> The facts are incontrovertible, where only Jon went to the trouble to
> reproduce them (AFAwK). Everyone else simply used their stone-age knowledge
> of networking (which we all knew decades ago) to apply to this thread.
> 
> Winston just did that, multiple times in this thread, as if stating his own
> stone-age knowledge of networking has anything to do whatsoever with the
> topic. Franklin Slootweg tried the same worthless trolling as Winston did.
> 
> Please note that there's nothing wrong with people's stone-age knowledge of
> networking, but their stone-age knowledge, while true, doesn't apply here.
> 
> If all they can do in response to the facts posted in this thread is repeat
> their stone-age thought processes, then they can't possibly add value.
> 
> Then you have the trolls like Keith Thompson claiming that running python
> on Windows to prove what Apple & Android devices do by default with respect
> to Wi-Fi protocols has absolutely nothing to do with running python on
> windows to prove how Apple & Google devices differ from how they handle
> Wi-Fi metadata.
> 
> WTF?

Wrong.

Keith Thompson argues that your post is off topic in comp.lang.python, 
because you are not discussing python code. You simply posted a link 
that contains a reference to a Python program and said you run it. You 
are not discussing the code itself or making any question about it.

And he is right, IMNSHO.

> 
> These people are all applying their stone-age knowledge of networking, but
> without taking into account the verified *new* information in this thread.
> 
> Not a single person who trolled this thread shows any understanding of it.
> 
>>> I don't even know how to explain to people who claim that the router never
>>> travels as their belief system is so absurd as to warn me that if they
>>> don't understand that people take their routers with them when they move,
>>> then that kind of person will never be able to understand, well, anything.
>>
>> No, we don't travel with our routers.
>>
>> My router belongs to the ISP and I have to return it when I move, then I
>> will get a new one at my destination. You should be intelligent enough
>> to accept this. Maybe doesn't happen in your nook of the world, but you
>> must understand that you are posting to an international medium.
> 
> WTF?
> What kind of absurd arguments are you claiming Carlos?

It is fact, Arlen.

> 
> I don't like broccoli, so nobody on the planet likes broccoli?
> 
> More to the point, I don't bring the paintings on my wall with me when I
> move, but that doesn't mean that nobody brings their paintings with them.
> 

I did not say "nobody". That's you reading what is not in what I said.

> The fact you get your access point from the ISP, while true, is an absurd
> way of your attempt to refute the facts proposed in this respected paper.

I don't refute anything, except that you can only track a minority of 
users worldwide.

> 
>   *Surveilling the Masses with Wi-Fi-Based Positioning Systems*
>   <https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.14975>
> 
> I do take my many access points with me, Carlos. Dozens of them.
> And even if I didn't, it would still refute NOTHING in that research paper.
> 
> The fact that's your major rebuttal indicates you haven't read the paper.
> Read it. Please.

No.

> 
>>> I had given up, but recently, I happened to look at Apple's documentation,
>>> and I realized Apple proved they had no intent of honoring the long-held
>>> intention of a hidden broadcast, by simply changing their documentation.
>>>    <https://support.apple.com/en-ie/102515>
>>
>> Ok, finally. The crux of the issue.
> 
> It's not hidden.
> It is, after all, in the SUBJECT line of this thread, Carlos.
> 
> Every person who tried it, found out every single statement to be true.

It is good Usenet manners to explain the subject in the body.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
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