Re: Government License
jan i <[email protected]> Wed, 2 Jul 2014 10:04:15 +0200
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--089e0158cb8ca17e3f04fd315602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2 July 2014 09:42, Jan Mat=C3=A8rne <jan-2P9/[email protected]> wrote: > Even if you could exclude cyber crime and spying from a legal use by your > license - do you really think that these users would follow your license? > of course they would not, but that is beside the point. If you in a license exclude a specific group of people (like redhaired vikings), it would not hold up in court, and you run the risk of being sued for being against a minority. You can anytime exclude a specific use in your license, a good example is pro. licenses that often exclude use in conjunction with nuclear plants. Having made an exclusion in the license, is a possibility to sue for illegal use, or much more important, in case of goverments, bad press (much much effective at the fraction of the cost). rgds jan I > > > Jan > > > > *Von:* Johannes Geppert [mailto:[email protected]] > *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2014 09:37 > *An:* [email protected] > *Betreff:* Re: Government License > > > > Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concrete > usage scenarios instead? > > Like cyber crime and/or spying > > > > Johannes > > > ################################################# > > web: http://www.jgeppert.com > > twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep > > > > > > 2014-07-02 9:24 GMT+02:00 David Welton <[email protected]>: > > > Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids military > > uses. > > Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because > it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you > can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, > Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you > happen to dislike. > > -- > David N. Welton > > http://www.dedasys.com/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > --089e0158cb8ca17e3f04fd315602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail= _quote">On 2 July 2014 09:42, Jan Mat=C3=A8rne <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre= f=3D"mailto:jan-2P9/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">jan-2P9/[email protected]</a>></span>= wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor= der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"DE"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"= ><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans= -serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">Even if you could exclude cyber = crime and spying from a legal use by your license - do you really think tha= t these users would follow your license?</span></p> </div></div></blockquote><div>of course they would not, but that is beside = the point.<br><br></div><div>If you in a license exclude a specific group o= f people (like redhaired vikings), it would not hold up in court, and you r= un the risk of being sued for being against a minority. You can anytime exc= lude a specific use in your license, a good example is pro. licenses that o= ften exclude use in conjunction with nuclear plants.<br> <br></div><div>Having made an exclusion in the license, is a possibility to= sue for illegal use, or much more important, in case of goverments, bad pr= ess (much much effective at the fraction of the cost).<br><br></div><div> rgds<br>jan I <br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0= 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" v= link=3D"purple" lang=3D"DE"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font= -size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#= 1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt= ;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang= =3D"EN-US">Jan<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt= ;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"> <div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt= 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon= t-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span st= yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&quo= t;"> Johannes Geppert [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D= "_blank">[email protected]</a>] <br> <b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2014 09:37<br><b>An:</b> <a href=3D"mail= to:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br><b>B= etreff:</b> Re: Government License<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div= > <div class=3D"h5"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p cl= ass=3D"MsoNormal">Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisatio= ns, but concrete usage scenarios instead?<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D= "MsoNormal"> Like cyber crime and/or spying<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class=3D= "MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"= >Johannes<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clea= r=3D"all"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">########################= #########################<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal= ">web: <a href=3D"http://www.jgeppert.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.jge= ppert.com</a><u></u><u></u></p> </div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/jo= gep" target=3D"_blank">http://twitter.com/jogep</a><u></u><u></u></p></div>= <div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D= "MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">2014-07-02 9:24 GMT+02:= 00 David Welton <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank"= >[email protected]</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s= tyle=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> > Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that for= bids military<br>> uses.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">W= hich is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source becaus= e<br> it goes against the definition. =C2=A0You can't have it both ways: you<= br>can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay,<b= r>Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you<br>h= appen to dislike.<br> <span style=3D"color:#888888"><br><span>--</span><br><span>David N. 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