Re: Government License
Dirk-Willem van Gulik <dirkx-HuV/[email protected]> Wed, 2 Jul 2014 10:46:10 +0200
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--Apple-Mail=_81ABCC09-9D11-4D0D-B9E3-85CA319609DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Op 2 jul. 2014, om 10:33 heeft Greg Stein <[email protected]> het = volgende geschreven: > On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:24 AM, David Welton <[email protected]> = wrote: > > Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids = military > > uses. >=20 > Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because > it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you > can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, > Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you > happen to dislike. >=20 > I'm with you, Jake. But I would like to keep the line exactly there - near what is generally = seen as some sort of denial/exclusion to groups of _people_ based on = some form of _prejudice_. As that follows the various legal systems, = interpretation of the constitution or whatever in most countries (and = almost certainly the contemporary interpretation of those). Excluding certain types of use, certain institutions or other =82non = people=92 things is just as undesirable.=20 But I think the situation around this is a bit more complex there - and = I think, we, as a community, should cut developers a bit more slack. As = there you run into the issue that local laws, legislation and = regulation. Which can force developers in specific communities to be = cautious for certain areas. A well known one is software used in nuclear = installations; others are medical (in quite a few countries), military = (in very few) and aviation (decreasingly the case). Dw. --Apple-Mail=_81ABCC09-9D11-4D0D-B9E3-85CA319609DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dwindows-1252"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space;"><br><div><div>Op 2 jul. 2014, om 10:33 heeft Greg = Stein <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>> = het volgende geschreven:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On = Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 2:24 AM, David Welton <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; = border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); = border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; position: static; z-index: = auto;"><div class=3D"">> Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is = licensing that forbids military<br> > uses.<br> <br> </div>Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source = because<br> it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: = you<br> can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay,<br> Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you<br> happen to dislike.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I'm with you, = Jake.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><br></div><div>But I would = like to keep the line exactly there - near what is generally seen as = some sort of denial/exclusion to groups of _people_ based on some form = of _prejudice_. As that follows the various legal systems, = interpretation of the constitution or whatever in most countries (and = almost certainly the contemporary interpretation of = those).</div><div><br></div><div>Excluding certain types of use, certain = institutions or other =82non people=92 things is just as = undesirable. </div><div><br></div><div>But I think the situation = around this is a bit more complex there - and I think, we, as a = community, should cut developers a bit more slack. As there you run into = the issue that local laws, legislation and regulation. Which can force = developers in specific communities to be cautious for certain areas. A = well known one is software used in nuclear installations; others are = medical (in quite a few countries), military (in very few) and = aviation (decreasingly the = case).</div><div><br></div><div>Dw.</div><div><br></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_81ABCC09-9D11-4D0D-B9E3-85CA319609DF--