Re: Government License
Tamás Cservenák <[email protected]> Wed, 2 Jul 2014 10:51:08 +0200
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--001a11c3d8d07ffcb504fd31ff05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think this reasoning is a fluke. Terms "military" and "government" are by far to be any kind of "minority". In general yes, the license would not be OSS, but putting "specific group of people" in same drawer as "goverment" does not hold IMO. On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 10:04 AM, jan i <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 2 July 2014 09:42, Jan Mat=C3=A8rne <jan-2P9/[email protected]> wrote: > >> Even if you could exclude cyber crime and spying from a legal use by you= r >> license - do you really think that these users would follow your license= ? >> > of course they would not, but that is beside the point. > > If you in a license exclude a specific group of people (like redhaired > vikings), it would not hold up in court, and you run the risk of being su= ed > for being against a minority. You can anytime exclude a specific use in > your license, a good example is pro. licenses that often exclude use in > conjunction with nuclear plants. > > Having made an exclusion in the license, is a possibility to sue for > illegal use, or much more important, in case of goverments, bad press (mu= ch > much effective at the fraction of the cost). > > rgds > jan I > >> >> >> Jan >> >> >> >> *Von:* Johannes Geppert [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Gesendet:* Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2014 09:37 >> *An:* [email protected] >> *Betreff:* Re: Government License >> >> >> >> Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concret= e >> usage scenarios instead? >> >> Like cyber crime and/or spying >> >> >> >> Johannes >> >> >> ################################################# >> >> web: http://www.jgeppert.com >> >> twitter: http://twitter.com/jogep >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-07-02 9:24 GMT+02:00 David Welton <[email protected]>: >> >> > Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that forbids militar= y >> > uses. >> >> Which is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source because >> it goes against the definition. You can't have it both ways: you >> can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay, >> Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you >> happen to dislike. >> >> -- >> David N. Welton >> >> http://www.dedasys.com/ >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> >> > > --001a11c3d8d07ffcb504fd31ff05 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">I think this reasoning is a fluke. Terms "military&qu= ot; and "government" are by far to be any kind of "minority&= quot;.<div><br></div><div>In general yes, the license would not be OSS, but= putting "specific group of people" in same drawer as "gover= ment" does not hold IMO.</div> </div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed,= Jul 2, 2014 at 10:04 AM, jan i <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jan= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><b= lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px = #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail= _quote"><div class=3D"">On 2 July 2014 09:42, Jan Mat=C3=A8rne <span dir=3D= "ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jan-2P9/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]= e</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p= x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"DE"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"= ><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans= -serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">Even if you could exclude cyber = crime and spying from a legal use by your license - do you really think tha= t these users would follow your license?</span></p> </div></div></blockquote></div><div>of course they would not, but that is b= eside the point.<br><br></div><div>If you in a license exclude a specific g= roup of people (like redhaired vikings), it would not hold up in court, and= you run the risk of being sued for being against a minority. You can anyti= me exclude a specific use in your license, a good example is pro. licenses = that often exclude use in conjunction with nuclear plants.<br> <br></div><div>Having made an exclusion in the license, is a possibility to= sue for illegal use, or much more important, in case of goverments, bad pr= ess (much much effective at the fraction of the cost).<br><br></div><div> rgds<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>jan I <br></font></s= pan></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D= "margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link= =3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"DE"> <div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu= ot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></= u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt= ;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang= =3D"EN-US">Jan<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca= libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2= =A0<u></u></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt= ;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt"> <div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt= 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon= t-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span st= yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&quo= t;"> Johannes Geppert [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D= "_blank">[email protected]</a>] <br> <b>Gesendet:</b> Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2014 09:37<br><b>An:</b> <a href=3D"mail= to:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br><b>B= etreff:</b> Re: Government License<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div= > <div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNor= mal">Is it maybe possible not to exclude people or organisations, but concr= ete usage scenarios instead?<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> Like cyber crime and/or spying<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class=3D= "MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"= >Johannes<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br clea= r=3D"all"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">########################= #########################<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal= ">web: <a href=3D"http://www.jgeppert.com" target=3D"_blank">http://www.jge= ppert.com</a><u></u><u></u></p> </div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">twitter: <a href=3D"http://twitter.com/jo= gep" target=3D"_blank">http://twitter.com/jogep</a><u></u><u></u></p></div>= <div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D= "MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"tel:2014-07-= 02%209" value=3D"+36201407029" target=3D"_blank">2014-07-02 9</a>:24 GMT+02= :00 David Welton <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank= ">[email protected]</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p> <div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"> > Closest I've seen in the 'free' area is licensing that for= bids military<br>> uses.<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">W= hich is, once again, neither 'free software' nor open source becaus= e<br> it goes against the definition. =C2=A0You can't have it both ways: you<= br>can't exclude people from using it because they are military, gay,<b= r>Illinois nazis, Alaskan women, Liechtensteiners or whatever else you<br>h= appen to dislike.<br> <span style=3D"color:#888888"><br><span>--</span><br><span>David N. 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