Re: [Discuss][VOTE] Combine the project user and dev mailing lists into user@ and dev@
Ralph Goers <[email protected]> Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:24:12 -0700
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--Apple-Mail=_00991089-6AC4-4519-8914-8A6F9E1F52DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 We use general as mainly an announcement list for topics that might be = of general interest to all logging projects. Generally, these are just = release announcements. Ralph > On Mar 9, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Matt Sicker <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain separate as it doesn't = cause any issues currently. The main idea here is whether we should = merge the dev lists into one, or if we need a common dev list for all = devs to subscribe to (general@ doesn't sound appropriate, but I don't = know what that list is for). >=20 > On 9 March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > You should note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are = =E2=80=9Cbinding=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t think that changes much = however. >=20 > =46rom a PMC perspective I have to say that keeping the user=E2=80=99s = lists separate isn=E2=80=99t likely to be an issue as most of the things = that would need to be discussed would be on a dev list anyway. >=20 > Ralph >=20 >> On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>=20 >> The votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so = that I didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to = summarize the current state of the vote: >>=20 >> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> = [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Matt Sicker: +1 >> Ralph Goers: +1 >> Stefan Bodewig: +1 >> Sven Rautenverg: -1 >> Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0 >> Ivan Habunek: -0 >> Dominik Psenner: +1 >> Remko Popma: +1 >> Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: +0 >>=20 >> Totals so far: >> +1: 5 >> +0: 1 >> -0: 2 >> -1: 1 >>=20 >> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> = [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>=20 >> Matt Sicker: -1 >> Ralph Goers: +1 >> Stefan Bodewig: -1 >> Sven Rautenverg: -1 >> Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0 >> Ivan Habunek: -0 >> Dominik Psenner: +1 >> Remko Popma: +1 >> Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: -1 >>=20 >> Totals so far: >> +1: 3 >> +0: 0 >> -0: 2 >> -1: 4 >> Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing. >>=20 >> On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote: >>> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to = half of them less than five minutes ago. >>>=20 >>> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing = lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows: >>>=20 >>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> = [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ = -> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>=20 >>> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before. >>>=20 >>> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases = for the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To = distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as: >>>=20 >>> [java] >>> [net] >>> [cxx] >>> [php] >>>=20 >>> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should = help in gaining the attention of the appropriate audience. >>>=20 >>> Voting: >>>=20 >>> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists! >>> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much. >>> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it. >>> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea! >>>=20 >>> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, = no -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be = open for at least 72 hours. >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Matt Sicker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Matt Sicker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> --Apple-Mail=_00991089-6AC4-4519-8914-8A6F9E1F52DF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">We use general as mainly an announcement list = for topics that might be of general interest to all logging projects. = Generally, these are just release announcements.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Ralph</div><br = class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On = Mar 9, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Matt Sicker <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> = wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain = separate as it doesn't cause any issues currently. The main idea here is = whether we should merge the dev lists into one, or if we need a common = dev list for all devs to subscribe to (general@ doesn't sound = appropriate, but I don't know what that list is for).</div><div = class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9 = March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br = class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 = .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div = style=3D"word-wrap:break-word" class=3D""><div class=3D"">You should = note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are =E2=80=9Cbinding=E2= =80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t think that changes much however.</div><div = class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=46rom a PMC perspective = I have to say that keeping the user=E2=80=99s lists separate isn=E2=80=99t= likely to be an issue as most of the things that would need to be = discussed would be on a dev list anyway.</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font= color=3D"#888888" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Ralph</div></font></span><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><br = class=3D""><div class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div = class=3D"">On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"m_-3547174407184483746Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">= =20 =20 =20 <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000" class=3D""><p class=3D"">The = votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so that I didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to summarize the current state of the vote:</p> <pre class=3D"">log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ = -> <a class=3D"m_-3547174407184483746moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a></pre><p class=3D"">Matt = Sicker: +1<br class=3D""> Ralph Goers: +1<br class=3D""> Stefan Bodewig: +1<br class=3D""> Sven Rautenverg: -1<br class=3D""> Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0<br class=3D""> Ivan Habunek: -0<br class=3D""> Dominik Psenner: +1<br class=3D""> Remko Popma: +1<br class=3D""> Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: +0</p><p class=3D"">Totals so far:<br = class=3D""> +1: 5<br class=3D""> +0: 1<br class=3D""> -0: 2<br class=3D""> -1: 1</p> <pre class=3D"">log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, = log4cxx-user@, general@ -> <a = class=3D"m_-3547174407184483746moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> Matt Sicker: -1 Ralph Goers: +1 Stefan Bodewig: -1 Sven Rautenverg: -1 Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0 Ivan Habunek: -0 Dominik Psenner: +1 Remko Popma: +1 Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: -1 Totals so far: +1: 3 +0: 0 -0: 2 -1: 4 </pre> Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing.<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> <div class=3D"m_-3547174407184483746moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-03-08 = 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote:<br class=3D""> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I may be missing some mailing lists = considering I just subscribed to half of them less than five minutes ago. <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">This is a vote to merge the various Apache = Logging Services mailing lists. The proposal is to combine them as = follows:</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, = log4cxx-dev@ -> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a></div> <div class=3D"">log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, = log4cxx-user@, general@ -> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email protected]</a></div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">commits@ and private@ remain the same as = before.</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">The proposal would also suggest that the old = emails become aliases for the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as:</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">[java]</div> <div class=3D"">[net]</div> <div class=3D"">[cxx]</div> <div class=3D"">[php]</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, = though it should help in gaining the attention of the appropriate audience.</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Voting:</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">+1: Yes, combine the mailing lists!</div> <div class=3D"">+0: Go ahead, don't care that much.</div> <div class=3D"">-0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it.</div> <div class=3D"">-1: No, don't do that! I have a better = idea!</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at = least 3 +1 binding, no -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.<br = clear=3D"all" class=3D""> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> -- <br class=3D""> <div class=3D"m_-3547174407184483746gmail_signature">Matt = Sicker <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>></div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <br class=3D""> </div> </div></blockquote></div><br = class=3D""></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""><br = clear=3D"all" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>-- <br = class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_signature" = data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Matt Sicker <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>></div> </div> </div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_00991089-6AC4-4519-8914-8A6F9E1F52DF--