Re: [Discuss][VOTE] Combine the project user and dev mailing lists into user@ and dev@

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Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain separate as it doesn't cause
any issues currently. The main idea here is whether we should merge the dev
lists into one, or if we need a common dev list for all devs to subscribe
to (general@ doesn't sound appropriate, but I don't know what that list is
for).

On 9 March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers <[email protected]> wrote:

> You should note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are
> =E2=80=9Cbinding=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t think that changes much howeve=
r.
>
> From a PMC perspective I have to say that keeping the user=E2=80=99s list=
s
> separate isn=E2=80=99t likely to be an issue as most of the things that w=
ould need
> to be discussed would be on a dev list anyway.
>
> Ralph
>
> On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> The votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so that =
I
> didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to summarize the
> current state of the vote:
>
> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> [email protected]=
e.org
>
> Matt Sicker: +1
> Ralph Goers: +1
> Stefan Bodewig: +1
> Sven Rautenverg: -1
> Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0
> Ivan Habunek: -0
> Dominik Psenner: +1
> Remko Popma: +1
> Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: +0
>
> Totals so far:
> +1: 5
> +0: 1
> -0: 2
> -1: 1
>
> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> use=
[email protected]
>
> Matt Sicker: -1
> Ralph Goers: +1
> Stefan Bodewig: -1
> Sven Rautenverg: -1
> Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0
> Ivan Habunek: -0
> Dominik Psenner: +1
> Remko Popma: +1
> Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: -1
>
> Totals so far:
> +1: 3
> +0: 0
> -0: 2
> -1: 4
>
> Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing.
>
> On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to half
> of them less than five minutes ago.
>
> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing lists=
.
> The proposal is to combine them as follows:
>
> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ ->
> [email protected]
> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ ->
> [email protected]
>
> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before.
>
> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases for th=
e
> combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To distinguish
> between projects, a subject tag can be added such as:
>
> [java]
> [net]
> [cxx]
> [php]
>
> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help in
> gaining the attention of the appropriate audience.
>
> Voting:
>
> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists!
> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much.
> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it.
> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea!
>
> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, no
> -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open
> for at least 72 hours.
>
> --
> Matt Sicker <[email protected]>
>
>
>
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain separate as i=
t doesn&#39;t cause any issues currently. The main idea here is whether we =
should merge the dev lists into one, or if we need a common dev list for al=
l devs to subscribe to (general@ doesn&#39;t sound appropriate, but I don&#=
39;t know what that list is for).</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9 March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">ralp=
[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div>You should note that while we =
consider all votes only PMC votes are =E2=80=9Cbinding=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=
=80=99t think that changes much however.</div><div><br></div><div>From a PM=
C perspective I have to say that keeping the user=E2=80=99s lists separate =
isn=E2=80=99t likely to be an issue as most of the things that would need t=
o be discussed would be on a dev list anyway.</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><=
font color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div><div>Ralph</div></font></span><div><d=
iv class=3D"h5"><br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Mar 9, 2017, at =
2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"m_-35471744=
07184483746Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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   =20
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  <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><p>The votes are way too scatte=
red over the different mailing lists
      so that I didn&#39;t even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I&#39;m try=
ing
      to summarize the current state of the vote:</p>
    <pre>log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -&gt; <a clas=
s=3D"m_-3547174407184483746moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:dev@log=
ging.apache.org" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a></pre><p>Matt =
Sicker: +1<br>
      Ralph Goers: +1<br>
      Stefan Bodewig: +1<br>
      Sven Rautenverg: -1<br>
      Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0<br>
      Ivan Habunek: -0<br>
      Dominik Psenner: +1<br>
      Remko Popma: +1<br>
      Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: +0</p><p>Totals so far:<br>
      +1: 5<br>
      +0: 1<br>
      -0: 2<br>
      -1: 1</p>
    <pre>log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@=
 -&gt; <a class=3D"m_-3547174407184483746moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"=
mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</=
a>

Matt Sicker: -1
Ralph Goers: +1
Stefan Bodewig: -1
Sven Rautenverg: -1
Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0
Ivan Habunek: -0
Dominik Psenner: +1
Remko Popma: +1
Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: -1

Totals so far:
+1: 3
+0: 0
-0: 2
-1: 4
</pre>
    Sorry to anyone who&#39;s vote is missing.<br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"m_-3547174407184483746moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-03-08 05:2=
0, Matt Sicker wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div dir=3D"ltr">I may be missing some mailing lists considering I
        just subscribed to half of them less than five minutes ago.
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services
          mailing lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -&gt;
          <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">dev@l=
ogging.apache.org</a></div>
        <div>log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@,
          general@ -&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=
=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a></div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>commits@ and private@ remain the same as before.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become
          aliases for the combined email names so as not to lose any
          future emails. To distinguish between projects, a subject tag
          can be added such as:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>[java]</div>
        <div>[net]</div>
        <div>[cxx]</div>
        <div>[php]</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Though I wouldn&#39;t think such a tag is required, though it
          should help in gaining the attention of the appropriate
          audience.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Voting:</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>+1: Yes, combine the mailing lists!</div>
        <div>+0: Go ahead, don&#39;t care that much.</div>
        <div>-0: Don&#39;t like it, but not vetoing it.</div>
        <div>-1: No, don&#39;t do that! I have a better idea!</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>This vote follows the same &quot;lazy consensus&quot; (at leas=
t 3 +1
          binding, no -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and
          whatnot. The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.<br clear=3D=
"all">
          <div><br>
          </div>
          -- <br>
          <div class=3D"m_-3547174407184483746gmail_signature">Matt Sicker =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]<=
/a>&gt;</div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
  </div>

</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br c=
lear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smar=
tmail=3D"gmail_signature">Matt Sicker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]=
m" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</div>
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