[Discuss][VOTE] Combine the project user and dev mailing lists into user@ and dev@
Ralph Goers <[email protected]> Thu, 9 Mar 2017 09:26:36 -0700
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--Apple-Mail=_241E8B38-2F2D-4B28-8645-5803B92E159A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You should note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are = =E2=80=9Cbinding=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t think that changes much = however. =46rom a PMC perspective I have to say that keeping the user=E2=80=99s = lists separate isn=E2=80=99t likely to be an issue as most of the things = that would need to be discussed would be on a dev list anyway. Ralph > On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner <[email protected]> = wrote: >=20 > The votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so = that I didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to = summarize the current state of the vote: >=20 > log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> = [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Matt Sicker: +1 > Ralph Goers: +1 > Stefan Bodewig: +1 > Sven Rautenverg: -1 > Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0 > Ivan Habunek: -0 > Dominik Psenner: +1 > Remko Popma: +1 > Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: +0 >=20 > Totals so far: > +1: 5 > +0: 1 > -0: 2 > -1: 1 >=20 > log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> = [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >=20 > Matt Sicker: -1 > Ralph Goers: +1 > Stefan Bodewig: -1 > Sven Rautenverg: -1 > Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0 > Ivan Habunek: -0 > Dominik Psenner: +1 > Remko Popma: +1 > Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: -1 >=20 > Totals so far: > +1: 3 > +0: 0 > -0: 2 > -1: 4 > Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing. >=20 > On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote: >> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to = half of them less than five minutes ago. >>=20 >> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing = lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows: >>=20 >> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> = [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> = [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>=20 >> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before. >>=20 >> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases = for the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To = distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as: >>=20 >> [java] >> [net] >> [cxx] >> [php] >>=20 >> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help = in gaining the attention of the appropriate audience. >>=20 >> Voting: >>=20 >> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists! >> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much. >> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it. >> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea! >>=20 >> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, = no -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be = open for at least 72 hours. >>=20 >> --=20 >> Matt Sicker <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >=20 --Apple-Mail=_241E8B38-2F2D-4B28-8645-5803B92E159A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">You should note that while we consider all = votes only PMC votes are =E2=80=9Cbinding=E2=80=9D. I don=E2=80=99t = think that changes much however.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=46rom a PMC perspective I have to say = that keeping the user=E2=80=99s lists separate isn=E2=80=99t likely to = be an issue as most of the things that would need to be discussed would = be on a dev list anyway.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div = class=3D"">Ralph</div><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner = <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""> =20 <meta content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" = http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" class=3D""> =20 <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000" class=3D""><p class=3D"">The = votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so that I didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to summarize the current state of the vote:</p> <pre wrap=3D"" class=3D"">log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, = log4cxx-dev@ -> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a></pre><p = class=3D"">Matt Sicker: +1<br class=3D""> Ralph Goers: +1<br class=3D""> Stefan Bodewig: +1<br class=3D""> Sven Rautenverg: -1<br class=3D""> Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0<br class=3D""> Ivan Habunek: -0<br class=3D""> Dominik Psenner: +1<br class=3D""> Remko Popma: +1<br class=3D""> Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: +0</p><p class=3D"">Totals so far:<br = class=3D""> +1: 5<br class=3D""> +0: 1<br class=3D""> -0: 2<br class=3D""> -1: 1</p> <pre wrap=3D"" class=3D"">log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, = log4cxx-user@, general@ -> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> Matt Sicker: -1 Ralph Goers: +1 Stefan Bodewig: -1 Sven Rautenverg: -1 Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning: -0 Ivan Habunek: -0 Dominik Psenner: +1 Remko Popma: +1 Mikael St=C3=A5ldal: -1 Totals so far: +1: 3 +0: 0 -0: 2 -1: 4 </pre> Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing.<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker = wrote:<br class=3D""> </div> <blockquote = cite=3D"mid:[email protected]= il.com" type=3D"cite" class=3D""> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">I may be missing some mailing lists = considering I just subscribed to half of them less than five minutes ago. <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">This is a vote to merge the various Apache = Logging Services mailing lists. The proposal is to combine them as = follows:</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, = log4cxx-dev@ -> <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a></div> <div class=3D"">log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, = log4cxx-user@, general@ -> <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a></div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">commits@ and private@ remain the same as = before.</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">The proposal would also suggest that the old = emails become aliases for the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as:</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">[java]</div> <div class=3D"">[net]</div> <div class=3D"">[cxx]</div> <div class=3D"">[php]</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, = though it should help in gaining the attention of the appropriate audience.</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Voting:</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">+1: Yes, combine the mailing lists!</div> <div class=3D"">+0: Go ahead, don't care that much.</div> <div class=3D"">-0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it.</div> <div class=3D"">-1: No, don't do that! I have a better = idea!</div> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at = least 3 +1 binding, no -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.<br = clear=3D"all" class=3D""> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> -- <br class=3D""> <div class=3D"gmail_signature">Matt Sicker <<a = moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>></div> </div> </div> </blockquote> <br class=3D""> </div> </div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_241E8B38-2F2D-4B28-8645-5803B92E159A--