Re: Audacity 3.0.0 RC 003 for testing.

David, Peter,

   Thanks for your reports - now I can enjoy my day out of town in
peace.  🙂

- John

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 8:12 AM Peter Sampson <
[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:04 PM David Bailes <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 12:46, John Colket <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve, thanks for checking.  As you know I am on Windows, which I think
>>> I neglected to say before but which I think you all know.  I wonder if it
>>> is something in my configuration files....   I'll check into this later....
>>>
>>
>> I can confirm the crash on Windows 10,
>>
>
> a)  This AUP file crashes for me on W10 with 3.0.0 RC03
>
> b) 2.4.2 attempts to open it - but reports the missing data folder
>
> Peter.
>
>
>
>> David.
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 7:39 AM Steve Fiddle <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 at 12:31, John Colket <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So last night, I was BLOCKED from attaching a ZIP file of my .aup file.
>>>>> I just checked and my aup file with an empty project directory crashes
>>>>> RC03 repeatedly.
>>>>> Here is a link to the ZIP file:
>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/haw9xtbpmi5b7wz/20200305-GCBS.zip?dl=0
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That doesn't crash for me with RC3 on Linux, though I do of course get
>>>> a warning about missing blockfiles, and then a project with no audio.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Later....
>>>>>
>>>>> - John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 5:44 AM Peter Sampson <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:25 AM Peter Sampson <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 10:00 AM Peter Sampson <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 2:13 AM John Colket <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FYI. I seem to be doing something wrong.  When I drag-and-drop an
>>>>>>>>> .aup file into Audacity 2.4.2, it complains:
>>>>>>>>> ============================================
>>>>>>>>> Error importing
>>>>>>>>> "C:\Users......aup" is an Audacity Project file.
>>>>>>>>> Use the 'File > Open' command to open Audacity Projects.
>>>>>>>>> ============================================
>>>>>>>>> I click OK, am PO'd, but life goes on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not so with RC03 (Feb 24 2021, 52d04f)
>>>>>>>>> So for the first .aup I tried to do this with Audacity hung.  The
>>>>>>>>> second one worked OK. 🙂
>>>>>>>>> They are both 1GB projects, so I do not want to send them along
>>>>>>>>> just yet.
>>>>>>>>> Project "Open"s in 2.4.2 OK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Open in 3.0.0 causes crash.  I can send
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> C:\Users\requi\AppData\Local\Temp\Audacity_dbgrpt-13928-20210224T203453.zip
>>>>>>>>> along if you are interested.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Crash seems to occur in wxWidgets called from ImportAUP.cpp(780):
>>>>>>>>>             AudacityMessageBox(
>>>>>>>>>                XO("Couldn't find the project data folder:
>>>>>>>>> \"%s\"").Format(*value),
>>>>>>>>>                XO("Error Opening Project"),
>>>>>>>>>                wxOK | wxCENTRE,
>>>>>>>>>                &window);
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Value is "200305-GCBS_data" which looks right?
>>>>>>>>> Again, project Opens OK in 2.4.2.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can't spend any more time on this just now.  And I will be out
>>>>>>>>> of town tomorrow and Saturday. We can talk Friday maybe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry to give this to you. Zipped .aup only file attached.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Management Summary
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>> I tested all if this pretty thoroughly on more than one occasion in
>>>>>>>> the past and AFAICT
>>>>>>>> it was all working properly (second half) of this email will be a
>>>>>>>> set of use-case tests.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So this crash is somewhat alarming
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The way that Audacity is suppose to work is
>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Drag and drop onto an open Audacity project is effectively a de
>>>>>>>> facto File>Import, so:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a) audio files van be dragged& dropped onto an Audacity Window,
>>>>>>>> just  as they can be
>>>>>>>> imported with the File>Import command
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> b) AUP or AUP3 files cannot be dragged and dropped onto an open
>>>>>>>> Audacity project window
>>>>>>>> just as they cannot be opened with the File>Import command
>>>>>>>> In both these cases an error message is shown telling the user to
>>>>>>>> use File>Open instead
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) Drag and drop onto a shortcut icon or onto an .exe/.app file is
>>>>>>>> a de facto File>Open command
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a) AUP or AUP3 files can be dragged and dropped onto a shortcut
>>>>>>>> icon or onto a .exe/,app file
>>>>>>>> and Audacity will launch and open the project.  Just as is the case
>>>>>>>> when using File>Open to open
>>>>>>>> the project.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> b) Audio files can be dragged and dropped onto a .exe/.app file and
>>>>>>>> they will be "opened" in Audacity
>>>>>>>> with a launch of Audacity and an implicit Import of the audio file
>>>>>>>> (mote carefully that we do not actually
>>>>>>>> "open" the audio file itself).  File>Open can be used in a similar
>>>>>>>> way with audio files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> c) Audio files cannot be dragged and dropped onto an Audacity
>>>>>>>> shortcut icon, it doesn't work.
>>>>>>>> I don't know if this is intentional i.e. a "feature" or if it is a
>>>>>>>> "bug"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> some notes here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i) In the course of UP development Leland experimented for a while
>>>>>>>> in allowing the "Import" of Audacity
>>>>>>>> projects, enabling both the command and the use to frag and drop to
>>>>>>>> import or open an Audacity project.
>>>>>>>> including importing a different project into an already existing
>>>>>>>> project/
>>>>>>>> Sadly this gave rise to some intractable bugs, so we withdrew this
>>>>>>>> and reverted to our previous 2.4.2
>>>>>>>> and earlier behaviors of not allowing Import of projects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ii) an Easter egg has been allowed to remain whereby in 3.0.0 an
>>>>>>>> AUP project can be imported into a
>>>>>>>> 3.0.0 project - BUT an AUP3 project cannot.
>>>>>>>> There is a small downside to having left this in, in that users my
>>>>>>>> be confused as to why they can import
>>>>>>>> AUP but not AUP3.  Personally I would block import of AUP into
>>>>>>>> 3.0.0 projects just for "consistency", but
>>>>>>>> that's not the case.  It remains an undocumented Easter Egg.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> iii) 2b and 2c are technically a data impurity - in that we do not
>>>>>>>> "Open" users' audio files.
>>>>>>>> rather we allow use of this command to pseudo "Import" their audio
>>>>>>>> file after Audacity
>>>>>>>> makes the Open Project.
>>>>>>>> This leads to user confusion, believing wrongly that they are
>>>>>>>> operating directly on their WAV, MP3 etc
>>>>>>>> audio file.
>>>>>>>> In contrast data purity exists at the output end as you van only
>>>>>>>> Save a Project and Export an audio file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now for the use-case tests.
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To set this up  use 2.4.2 to create a project and save it on your
>>>>>>>> desktop as an AUP project test.aup and
>>>>>>>> similarly use 3.30. RC03 to create a project and save this on your
>>>>>>>> desktop as an AUP3 project test.aup3
>>>>>>>> I made the projects by importing a 3 minute stereo song.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UC1) D&D AUP onto open 2.4.2
>>>>>>>> a) launch 2.4.2
>>>>>>>> b) try to drag&drop test.aup onto it
>>>>>>>> c) Observe: helpful error message
>>>>>>>> This PO'd Joh (he says) but then it's always been this way
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UC2) D&D AUP3 onto open 2.4.2
>>>>>>>> a) launch 2.4.2
>>>>>>>> b) try to drag&drop test.aup3 onto it
>>>>>>>> c) Observe: error message saying filetype not recognized
>>>>>>>> That is to be expected as when we built 2.4.2 we had no expectation
>>>>>>>> of AUP3 files and thus
>>>>>>>> no way to trap them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UC3) D&D AUP3 onto open  3.0.0
>>>>>>>> a) launch  3.0.0
>>>>>>>> b) try to drag&drop test.aup3 onto it
>>>>>>>> c) Observe: helpful error message telling you to use File>Open
>>>>>>>> Instead
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UC4) D&D AUP onto open 3.0.0
>>>>>>>> a) launch  3.0.0
>>>>>>>> b) try to drag&drop test.aup onto it
>>>>>>>> c) Observe: the project is imported
>>>>>>>> This is the "Easter Egg" - and is somewhat inconsistent with UC3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW I think this "Easter Egg" occurs because technically Audacity
>>>>>> 3.0.0 is not actually "Opening" an AUP project.
>>>>>> Rater it is "Importing" it and converting it into an AUP3 project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you look carefully at the progress message while this is taking
>>>>>> p;ace you will observe that Audacity is telling you
>>>>>> that it is "Importing AUP Project files..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So technically this  could be regarded as "pure" and "proper"
>>>>>> behavior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UC5) D&D onto shortcut items on desktop
>>>>>>>> a) D&D AUP onto 2.4.2 shortcut - it works
>>>>>>>> b) D&D AUP3 onto 3.0.0 shortcut - it works
>>>>>>>> c) D&D AUP onto 3.0.0 shortcut - it works
>>>>>>>> d) D&D AUP3 onto 2.4.2 shortcut => error message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> UC6) D&D onto ,exe files
>>>>>>>> a) D&D AUP onto Audacity242.exe  - it works
>>>>>>>> b) D&D AUP3 onto  Audacity300.exe - it works
>>>>>>>> c) D&D AUP onto  Audacity300.exe - it works
>>>>>>>> d) D&D AUP3 onto  Audacity242.exe  => error message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So this looks from these use-case tests to be working as expected.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do realize that John's project that he wrote about is *much*
>>>>>>>> bigger than my test projects
>>>>>>>> here - so I will try to find time later today to repeat these tests
>>>>>>>> with a pair of 1GB projects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I repeated these tests with a one hour stereo wav file of music -
>>>>>>> both AUP3 and AUP c. 1.2GB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All tests still worked fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:29 AM Peter Sampson <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 3:08 PM Leland <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The packaging/install/cmake issue is still valid, but the other
>>>>>>>>>>> issue seems to be related to Zam plugins only.  Still researching though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I L*O*V*E the Zam VU meter  😎
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.zamaudio.com/?p=976
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any chance we could make one of these for Audacity ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Leland <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2021 8:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Audacity-devel] Audacity 3.0.0 RC 003 for
>>>>>>>>>>> testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bummer, I’ve just found a couple of LV2 problems on Linux.  One
>>>>>>>>>>> is simply a packaging/install/cmake issue.  The other one is a hang when
>>>>>>>>>>> using (any, I think) LV2 plugins a second time.  Doesn’t have to be the
>>>>>>>>>>> same LV2 plugin either, just any LV2 plugin.  At least that’s what it seems
>>>>>>>>>>> like right now.  Just identified and haven’t had a chance to dig further.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* James Crook <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2021 7:17 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* audacity-devel <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [Audacity-devel] Audacity 3.0.0 RC 003 for testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We've addressed bug 2673 and I've spun new release candidates,
>>>>>>>>>>> RC03.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.fosshub.com/Audacity-devel.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a good workout.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --James
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> audacity-win-3.0.0rc03.exe    (application/x-msdownload) - 29376712 bytes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SHA-256 c9b98d11b27b60acc54bd637dd057dc8a5cdbdea3e2bb9ac54c6ba026870af49
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> audacity-win-3.0.0rc03.zip    (application/x-zip-compressed) - 12507830 bytes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SHA-256 744551b725d9d38aa8a6825231e1ef5a813c8fe034b59fe0b29328b92b40d834
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> audacity-man-3.0.0rc03.zip    (application/x-zip-compressed) - 23114150 bytes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SHA-256 e037890b70a556eff533cee9ab0a7bcf07957efba4612801eb8906b3ab99ace0
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> audacity-macos-3.0.0rc03.dmg        (n/a) - 41327238 bytes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SHA-256 232caec5a8805673c02fd04f812149bf7fe70385e42a4fd662125b424b8aa33c
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> audacity-minsrc-3.0.0rc03.tar.xz        (n/a) - 13299040 bytes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SHA-256 df18b4bb8811cb042a5223513ce1c07a4162f84ad90e9e9ae2ebf4782d039a8c
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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