| Newsgroups |
gmane.comp.audio.eac.user |
| Message-ID |
<[email protected]> |
Fred -
If only someone could devise a statistically sound way of measuring
those fish that got awy!
Ian.
---
_UK. H: +44 (0) 1242 519990. M: +44 (0) 7887 636349_
DE. H: +49 (0) 69 8383 4602. M: +49 (0) 175 987 5433 (Laila)
On 27-05-2016 16:20, Fred Maxwell [email protected] [EAC]
wrote:
>> On May 27, 2016, at 9:56 AM, Gerry Pehl Gerry.Pehl-krK+l/[email protected] [EAC] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> My big contention though, is that just because we can't measure something doesn't mean that its existence can't be demonstrated, and this is where the snake-oil esoteric types fall on their swords every time. They __never__ provide or even pursue any level of validation for their claims. Bottom line: if something is there, you should be able to demonstrate it through statistical testing- if 60%-70% subjects agree, then you've got something. BUT that would conflict with the business model, I think- keeping it vague is what keeps the esoteric tribe buying a 'narrative' about science rather than any reality.
> Gerry hit the nail on the head there. The high end audio tweak market is modeled after the tale of "The Emperor's New Clothes" -- 'Any skilled listener with fine hearing and a revealing system would hear the improvement made by the use of these fine cables.'
>
>> On May 27, 2016, at 10:06 AM, Gerry Pehl Gerry.Pehl-krK+l/[email protected] [EAC] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> "passively reduce the the effects of stray light that ultimately causes jittar_[sic]_
>>
>> So I've read that this one is actually true, but again, what it takes to __hear__ the difference is a good signal chain, including a good room,
>
> While it's easy to cite jitter as a problem, there's no plausible scientific explanation for how painting the edge green would reduce jitter. And jitter is extremely easy to measure with test instruments. So is distortion caused by jitter. So where are the measurements? Where are results of double-blind tests? I remember years ago when an engineer who designs CD laser pickups said that it was comically flawed as a concept.
>
> And with that, I'm going to take the boat out and do some fishing in which I will perform no instrumented measurements of the fish I catch, instead relying on my keen eyesight to determine the size of the fish and how they compare with fish caught by other anglers. I find that digital scales and tape measures often fail to properly identify the true size of the fish I have caught.
>
> Regards,
> Fred
>
>
Links:
------
[1]
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EAC/conversations/messages/27107;_ylc=X3oDMTJwdWdlbGtsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI1NTc3OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwMDc3MDkEbXNnSWQDMjcxMDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxNDY0MzYyNDIx?act=reply&messageNum=27107
[2]
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EAC/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbDBqcGhpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI1NTc3OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwMDc3MDkEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNDY0MzYyNDIx
[3]
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EAC/conversations/topics/27074;_ylc=X3oDMTM1NmZka3ZoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI1NTc3OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwMDc3MDkEbXNnSWQDMjcxMDcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxNDY0MzYyNDIxBHRwY0lkAzI3MDc0
[4]
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EAC/photos/photomatic/407496956;_ylc=X3oDMTE4M3R1OW82BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGNmOQNQSE9UT01BVElDBHNlYwNtZWdhcGhvbmU-
[5] https://yho.com/1wwmgg
[6] http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/
[7]
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EAC/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJkOWxucGtlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI1NTc3OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwMDc3MDkEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxNDY0MzYyNDIx
[8]
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/EAC/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJlajNkaWw0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzI1NTc3OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwMDc3MDkEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdm1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTQ2NDM2MjQyMQ--
[9]
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJjZXBqamJmBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzI1NTc3OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwMDc3MDkEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZ2ZwBHN0aW1lAzE0NjQzNjI0MjE-
[10] https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html
[11] https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/