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On 11/10/2019 5:23 PM, Fred Maxwell [email protected] [EAC] wrote:
>> Snark is not helpful.
>
> Neither is publicly questioning why I’m not willing to voluntarily
> undertake a soul-crushingly massive task.
>
>> I assume that John's suggestion assumed that you
>> could easily do that in your role as Moderator.
>>
> Thank you for sharing your assumptions about his assumptions.
> Nevertheless, what he wrote was:
It's an assumption, true. But are you not also assuming he was
questioning your actions? I certainly don't read it that way. Seems to
me it was a simple suggestion on how to possibly resolve the situation
we find ourselves in. I see it as trying to be helpful, not to challenge
anyone's magnificent omnipotence.
>> >> So, why don't you send an email to everyone asking for such pemerssion
>> >> and then you couod do the move.
>>
> As you can see, he was suggesting that I email everyone in the EAC
> group, asking permission to provide their email addresses to groups.io
> <http://groups.io> in order for /me/ to move the EAC group (that’s what
> we had been discussing in the message to which he replied). I won’t
> belabor the labor involved in tracking how people answered, who
> answered, and turning that into something to be provided to groups.io
> <http://groups.io>. If you wish to discuss it at length, please email
> me privately.
>
>> If we decide to move the group to groups.io <http://groups.io/> or
>> somewhere else, it seems
>> to me a simple message to all members of this group telling them that
>> the group is moving to Wherever, and to reenlist themselves there.
>>
> That’s a reasonable approach. But losing the years of knowledge shared
> in the message archive on Yahoo would decrease the value of the group
> significantly. It’s my understanding that the message archives will
> cease to exist in the near future, leaving us with something that just
> accepts, and spits out, emails. Did I misunderstand that?
>
>> Yahoo groups isn't going away immediately, so there's time to set
>> something up if we want.
>>
> I have no opposition to that and would gladly relinquish the moderator
> role to anyone who wanted to take the initiative to set up, and
> advertise, a new home for the EAC group (with Andre’s permission, of
> course).
>
> Regards,
> Fred Maxwell
> Moderator, Exact Audio Copy Yahoogroup
>
>> On Nov 10, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Lin Sprague [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [EAC] <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> Snark is not helpful. I assume that John's suggestion assumed that you
>> could easily do that in your role as Moderator.
>>
>> If we decide to move the group togroups.io <http://groups.io/>or
>> somewhere else, it seems
>> to me a simple message to all members of this group telling them that
>> the group is moving to Wherever, and to reenlist themselves there. No
>> automatic moving of the list needed. Maybe set up an auto-reply with
>> instructions on how to move there and unsubscribe from here, if that
>> feature is available on Yahoo.
>>
>> Yahoo groups isn't going away immediately, so there's time to set
>> something up if we want. The main thing that will be lost in the short
>> term are the files. I see that nothing has been put there since 10 years
>> ago, so maybe they're expendable.
>>
>> On 11/10/2019 3:38 PM, Fred [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>[EAC] wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > To all 2,700+ members of the group: Please email John Covici directly
>> > atcovici-cDiIMnvS3U/[email protected]
>> <mailto:covici-cDiIMnvS3U/[email protected]><mailto:covici-cDiIMnvS3U/[email protected]> to give your
>> > permission to share your email address withgroups.io
>> <http://groups.io/><http://groups.io <http://groups.io/>>.
>> >
>> > John will reply to you individually with requests for other information
>> > he may need (such as user ID/name, message delivery format, etc.) as he
>> > puts together a file that can be imported bygroups.io
>> <http://groups.io/><http://groups.io <http://groups.io/>>.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Fred Maxwell
>> > Moderator, Exact Audio Copy Yahoogroup
>> >
>> >> On Nov 10, 2019, at 3:12 PM, John Covicicovici-cDiIMnvS3U/[email protected]
>> <mailto:covici-cDiIMnvS3U/[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:covici-cDiIMnvS3U/[email protected]> [EAC] <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So, why don't you send an email to everyone asking for such pemerssion
>> >> and then you couod do the move.
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:07:10 -0500,
>> >> FredMaxwell_eac_moderator-2vyyaVqwwj1BDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>[EAC] wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > [1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>]
>> >> > [2 <text/html; UTF-8 (quoted-printable)>]
>> >> > Mark,
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks for, yet again, being a voice of reason and a fount of
>> knowledge.
>> >> >
>> >> > While I recognize that the immediate changes do not affect our
>> >> ability to use Yahoo Groups as a simple list server, I have not looked
>> >> into what functionality might be lost or limited with regards to
>> >> message digests and reading messages
>> >> > online via a web interface. As you probably know, many of our
>> >> members don’t receive any emails while others subscribe to message
>> >> digest emails.
>> >> >
>> >> > Having seen this kind of wind-down of services before from Yahoo,
>> >> Google, and others, I remain skeptical about the long-term viability
>> >> of the Yahoo Groups service; I suspect that it will be shut down in
>> >> the not-too-distant future.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ignoring any issues of costs or funding, I simply don’t have
>> >> explicit permission from all of the members of this group to provide
>> >> their email addressestogroups.io
>> <http://togroups.io/><http://groups.io/>or any other
>> >> third party. In light of that, it would be unethical of me
>> >> > to share other people’s addresses. So I will not be doing it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Fred Maxwell
>> >> > Moderator, Exact Audio Copy Yahoogroup
>> >> >
>> >> > On Nov 10, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Mark [email protected]
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>[EAC] <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Besides, the changes that have been announced for Yahoo Groups seem
>> >> to affect only the storing/sharing of files through the group itself.
>> >> Messages can still be posted, can still be distributed to group
>> >> members, and can still be read
>> >> > via e-mail.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't see a significant change in that, at least as far as the way
>> >> that this particular group has operated.
>> >> >
>> >> > And, in case it matters,groups.io
>> <http://groups.io/><http://groups.io/>seems to be
>> >> swamped right now, and have instituted a monetary charge over $200 for
>> >> their "automated" conversion. I can't see that money coming forward
>> >> for user-support of a freely available program.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 12:39 PM Fred
>> >>[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>[EAC] <[email protected]
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > The group is as live as the members make it — by posting (or not
>> >> posting) messages.
>> >> >
>> >> > I do not have permission from all of the members of this group to
>> >> provide their email addressestogroups.io
>> <http://togroups.io/><http://groups.io/>or any
>> >> other third party. Nor is it my group to move — Andre is the owner of
>> >> this group.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Fred Maxwell
>> >> > Moderator, Exact Audio Copy Yahoogroup
>> >> >
>> >> > On Nov 10, 2019, at 12:31 PM, [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>[EAC] <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > This group seems to be dead.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Nov 10, 2019 at 09:30fpesposito-/[email protected]
>> <mailto:30fpesposito-/[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:fpesposito-/[email protected]>[EAC] <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Hello --- is anyone moving this grouptogroups.io
>> <http://togroups.io/><http://groups.io/>?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
>> >> How do
>> >> you spend it?
>> >>
>> >> John Covici wb2una
>> >>covici-cDiIMnvS3U/[email protected]
>> <mailto:covici-cDiIMnvS3U/[email protected]><mailto:covici-cDiIMnvS3U/[email protected]>
>>
>
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