Re: [mb-users] Artist vs. Artist and His Orchestra, "formations" vs "groups"

It probably won't change anybody's mind, but I think this wiki 
section[1]  might help explain how some editors have (historically) 
approached the question.

I'm not advocating this approach, but it might explain why we have (for 
example) several Miles Davis "groups" and only one main entry for the 
various Charles Mingus "formations".

The long-term solution may be related to RFC 149[2]. That is, the 
problem is partly semantic (a person isn't a group) and partly 
presentational (I want to see HW's entire body of work in one place).

Oh, and if anybody wants to see what this looked like pre-merge, Hugo 
Winterhalter & His Various Sub-Artists haven't been merged on the test 
server.[3]

Alex / caller#6


[1] 
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Jazz#Why_the_concept_of_group_is_essentially_inadequate_to_represent_formations
[2]http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-STYLE-149-tp4640252.html
[3] http://test.musicbrainz.org/artist/2c8e33c0-70b6-4296-be65-cabeddfe339b
http://test.musicbrainz.org/artist/94bb5af0-8835-44fd-afa9-07bd97d3a5d9
http://test.musicbrainz.org/artist/205a3598-187f-461b-98eb-2e1816d2c555

On 08/22/2012 07:06 AM, Mister Maxis wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I'm really concerned about the following kind of edit ( 
> http://musicbrainz.org/edit/17920887 & 
> http://musicbrainz.org/edit/18497710 ), especially when done and/or 
> voted by Auto-Editors, I have recently seen it twice and I remember 
> seing it before.
>
> By doing so, it basically deletes the artist named "Artist and His 
> Orchestra" making impossible to add
> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Member_of_Band_Relationship_Type
> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Orchestra_Relationship_Type
> and probably others...
>
> "Percy Faith" is an artist of type "Person" =1 human being
> and
> "Percy Faith and His Orchestra" was an artist of type "Group" >1 human 
> being
> This is the very basic of MusicBrainz and merging one with the other 
> has as much sense as merging all the artists into Various Artists.
>
> So either it's legit to do such merge and I would like to see the 
> guidelines where it's mentioned and why,
> or please vote No to those edits when seing them, don't Abstain we're 
> losing information with those edits.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Is it possible to unmerge ?
>
> Best regards,
> -MXS-
>
>
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