Re: [mb-users] Artist vs. Artist and His Orchestra

This is an interesting subject...

I would also like to see the complete discography of an artist regardless
of the various groups he has been part of. Or to be able to see the solo
releases as well as the group releases. How about if an artist has "is a
member of"  ARs, adding those releases underneath the solo releases?

For example, if you go to Paul McCartney 's release page, you would first
see His solo releases and then followed by the Beatles releases.

We could also have the relationship more prominently shown on the artist
overview page.

Sébastien
On Aug 30, 2012 12:55 PM, "Brian Schweitzer" <
[email protected]> wrote:

> > This is a very interesting topic. While I understand your concerns, it
>> > does
>> > not make sense either to not be able to find a release by "Percy Faith
>> > and
>> > His Orchestra" in the "Percy Faith" entry. Imagine a compilation by
>> Percy
>> > Faith. Now, a few tracks on this release, are credited as they should
>> be,
>> > by Percy Faith and His Orchestra. Those associated recording won't even
>> > appear on the Percy Faith's recording tab. That's so wrong, IMO.
>>
>> that's my thought too.
>>
>> also "artistX + orchester performed orchester" is as wrong as "artistX
>> performed orchester"
>> i don't see how one of these should be more correct.
>>
>> imho merging is the most feasible solution without getting too
>> complicated.
>>
>>
> Merging wouldn't solve the problem you're describing, however, and it
> would create such problems as I mentioned, such as "(person) Artist is a
> member of (person) Artist", rather than the current "(person) Artist is a
> member of (group) Artist".  A musician in Percy Faith's orchestra is a
> member of the orchestra, not a member of Percy Faith.  This is not the only
> AR with such problems, either, nor are all such problems limited to
> artist-artist ARs.  You'd also lose the ability to set non-AR data, such as
> when the group formed/ended, to set an AC for the group (vs the person),
> etc.  So merging would solve perhaps some problems, while creating a whole
> host of other, messier imho, problems.
>
> Re "not make sense either to not be able to find a release by "Percy
> Faith and His Orchestra" in the "Percy Faith" entry", while yes, it'd be
> nice to see *everything* Percy did in his discography, that wouldn't be
> true even if the two were merged.  See, for example, performance names, or
> the member of AR for members of orchestras/groups.  For example, you won't
> see any Nirvana stuff under Kurt Cobain, even though he was in that group.
>  Given many of the examples visible at the tag I linked before, there's
> cases where "Foo Bar & the GroupType" is the actual name of the band;
> merging those into "Foo Bar" would commingle the group with the person.  In
> many other cases, esp in a jazz context, merging like this would make
> distinguishing different 'semi-ad-hoc, but stable for a decent amount of
> time' groups pretty much impossible, esp. once you consider the resulting
> lack of membership AR data.  Consider the 16 or so entries for Miles Davis.
>  They're hard enough to distinguish as they are now; merge them all into
> Miles Davis' listing - result: they, and his listing as a person, would
> just become a giant mess.
>
> Brian
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