Re: Re: [Netjuke-devel] [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke]
John Graber <[email protected]> Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:18:32 -0500
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080308020305060706090300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Amen. I was initially very excited by the Jinzora eye candy, but have had the exact same experience as Elijah. The admin/management tools suck so badly as to be almost non-existent. If Jinzora3? has that interface built on a Netjuke infrastructure, THEN I will consider switching. Until that day, forget it! Good luck! Elijah Savage wrote: >This is truly a sad moment, I hope netjuke brings about a new jinzora >and very quick like at that. I just loaded it again for a 2nd time to >give it another try when I got this word and I am running into so many >bugs it is unreal. Things just flat out not working or partially >working, and then I post to the forum and usual most of my post go >unanswered. It takes 2 minutes for me to run a entire scan with netjuke >of all my music when I go through cleaning up my music/id3tags, it takes >50 minutes with jinzora2 and not only that both apps are running on the >same server and the jinz update max's out my client cpu at 100% while >updating for some reason yes I am talking about the machine I am using >the web browser on not my server. Also there is no way with Jinz to just >browse your folder and run a update of one folder every time you add or >delete an album you have to rescan your entire collection and once again >that takes me 50 minutes on my machines and a gigabit network. When I do >rescan with Jinz it does not take away the old references it just adds >to, so you end up with duplicates on your site. It also worries me that >I have seen the words "you get what you pay for" used in their forums a >lot, I am one of the ones that is more than willing to pay for netjuke 2 >when it was released. > >Server is FreeBSD running on a p4 2.4 1gig of mem >Client machine Athlon 2800 1gigDDR > >I am not sure how this app will improve netjuke but I hoping netjuke >will improve Jinzora quick like, ok enough complaining and not really >complaining just telling my experience so far. > >I understand the time issue and appreciate you doing what you can to >keep the project alive. > >Time will tell > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Blake >Watters >Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:05 PM >To: Art Morales >Cc: [email protected]; >[email protected] >Subject: [Netjuke-users] Re: [Netjuke-devel] [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released >- upcoming merger with Netjuke] > >Yes, this is real but it does not mean an end to Netjuke. Jinzora 2.0 >has an established user interface code base and two very dedicated >developers carrying the project forward. We have a good bit of code in >Netjuke 2 line, but have never managed to cultivate a rich user >interface experience because of lack of skillset and time on my part >(I'm the Netjuke lead)... > >So what we have done going forward is to merge our projects into a new >combined effort. This brings us twice the developers and essentially >twice the codebase to work with. I find Jinzora overly complicated and >not ideal, but I also find Netjuke 1.x very limiting and Netjuke 2.x >very immature. I hope to bring a more focused and user oriented >experience to Jinzora and raise the quality of their product while doing >the same for Netjuke. Jinzora 3.0 will probably be released as 'Netjuke >Technologies Jinzora' or some other combination there of. We are working >on compatibility layers in the near term to give Netjuke users a >consistent experience on an active codebase to hold out for the next >major release. > >I felt that merging with Jinzora was the best possible move I could make >to preserve Netjuke as a project and keep moving forward. My day job >work is pretty time consuming (software start-up), so I was simply >drowning in my vision for Netjuke 2. Jinzora complements those weak >spots, so I figure that in 6 months we can have the solution I've been >trying to build instead of another year+ at the current pace we were >moving as a separate project. > >The merger is proceeding like this: Ross Carlson (Jinzora Lead) and I >have been discussing project structure and architecture and have elected >to merge our codebases where appropriate to get the maximum value in a >unified project. Much of the architectural robustness, developer tools, >and miscellaneous feature code is moving into jinzora's source tree. >We're implementing trac for bug tracking and source control and moving >to subversion. > >All Netjuke code is available for forking and will continue to be >available in the future. Anybody who doesn't like my plan is invited to >fork the code base and proceed in whatever way they feel is appropriate. > >Blake > >On Apr 23, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Art Morales wrote: > > > >>Is this real? What's going to happen to my beloved netjuke? I like >>jinzora, but the netjuke implementation fits better for larger >>libraries >>(no preloading everything on the html). I tried both, but netjuke was >>such a better fit :) How is the merger going to happen? is Netjuke >>done >>and over with? Please, shed some light on this! >> >>Thanks, >> >>Art >> >>---------------------------- Original Message >>---------------------------- >>Subject: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke >>From: "Jinzora Announcement" <[email protected]> >>Date: Tue, April 19, 2005 10:37 pm >>To: [email protected] >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > >>---- >> >>Jinzora, the leading provider of web-based media management >>solutions announced today the release of Jinzora 2.0 and an upcoming >>merger with Netjuke. Jinzora, an open source cross-platform, web- >>based >>streaming media management application, enables people to quickly and >>easily organize and stream their digital music and video to any >>internet >>connected computer. Jinzora 2.0 introduces significant new features >>over >>its 1.1 predecessor and is the culmination of over a year of hard >>work by >>project leader Ross Carlson and chief software architect Ben >>Dodson. A >>brief list of Jinzora 2.0 enhancements is listed below. For a more >>detailed list of enhancements see the Changelog >>(http://www.jinzora.com/changelog/), drop by our downloads page >>(http://www.jinzora.com/pages.php?pn=downloads) and visit our Support >>Forums (http://www.jinzora.com/forums/) >> >>The Jinzora development team is also pleased to announce our upcoming >>merger with Netjuke, an open source, cross-platform, web-based >>streaming >>media jukebox powered by PHP 4. Blake Watters, project leader of >>Netjuke >>will soon be joining the Jinzora development team. Jinzora is >>committed >>to working closely with the Netjuke community to ease this >>transition and >>to ensure that both the Jinzora and Netjuke communities benefit as >>much >>as possible from this merger. Jinzora would like to thank Blake >>Watters >>for making this possible and we are very excited about working >>with Blake >>for future versions. >> >>Jinzora 2.0 feature enhancements >>* The ability to stream media outside of your web path >>* Quick import tracks - skip pulling tag data - pulled on the fly >>* Embedded players - have media stream to flash based (Wimpy, XSPF >>Player) >>or Windows Media Player embedded in a popup page * Dynamic image >>resizing >>- dramatically speed up viewing album art * "Who is where" and "Now >>streaming" blocks - see what's happening in real time * A Netjuke >>style >>interface to help people transition to Jinzora >>* Full support for Real Media (audio and video) >>* Ability to download full albums/tracks - displays the size of the >>download before the download begins * Server side playlist support >>- save >>and recall playlists >>* Full Jukebox support (MPD, Winamp, Audiotron, SlimServer) >>* Automatically pull metadata for artist/album information >>* Power Search page >>* The ability to view album art stored in the ID3 tags >>* Sort albums by year or album name >>* Upload media using a web based interface >>* On the fly resampling using Lame >>* User browsing history - easily go back to previous pages >>* Write images to the ID3 tags of tracks >>* "View all art" - see all albums by art on a single page >>* User registration engine - allow users to sign up to access a >>Jinzora >>based site * Dynamically create images for items missing album/ >>artist art >>* Request Manager - give users the ability to request tracks to be >>added >> >>About Jinzora >>Jinzora is the premiere web based media management solution >>capable of >>streaming both audio and video content to Internet or LAN based users. >>Jinzora also features a powerful jukebox module allowing for >>control of >>multiple software and hardware playback platforms. Jinzora's focus on >>ease of use and powerful interface design makes it the choice for web >>based media management. Whether you are a small user who wishes to >>access your media from anywhere or a large organization sharing >>media with >>the world, Jinzora is the most powerful solution available today. >>Founded in August of 2003 by Ross Carlson, Jinzora has grown to a >>team of >>8, with more than 20,000 installs and an estimated user base of >>6,000. >> >>Contact info: >>Jinzora Project Leader: Ross Carlson - [email protected] >>Jinzora Chief Software Architect: Ben Dodson - [email protected] >>Netjuke Project Leader: Blake Watters - [email protected] >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------- >>SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide >>Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real >>users. >>Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. >>http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click >>_______________________________________________ >>Netjuke-devel mailing list >>[email protected] >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-devel >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------- >SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide >Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. >Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. >http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=ick >_______________________________________________ >Netjuke-users mailing list >[email protected] >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! >Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net >Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey >Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id5hix >_______________________________________________ >Netjuke-users mailing list >[email protected] >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-users > > > --------------080308020305060706090300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#333399"> <tt>Amen.<br> <br> I was initially very excited by the Jinzora eye candy, but have had the exact same experience as Elijah. The admin/management tools suck so badly as to be almost non-existent.<br> <br> If Jinzora3? has that interface built on a Netjuke infrastructure, THEN I will consider switching. Until that day, forget it!<br> <br> Good luck!<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> </tt><br> Elijah Savage wrote: <blockquote cite="mid618A39FCC1EBF848B3EA40B2F2C9BD8D03D46F@cartman.Digitalrage.local" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">This is truly a sad moment, I hope netjuke brings about a new jinzora and very quick like at that. I just loaded it again for a 2nd time to give it another try when I got this word and I am running into so many bugs it is unreal. Things just flat out not working or partially working, and then I post to the forum and usual most of my post go unanswered. It takes 2 minutes for me to run a entire scan with netjuke of all my music when I go through cleaning up my music/id3tags, it takes 50 minutes with jinzora2 and not only that both apps are running on the same server and the jinz update max's out my client cpu at 100% while updating for some reason yes I am talking about the machine I am using the web browser on not my server. Also there is no way with Jinz to just browse your folder and run a update of one folder every time you add or delete an album you have to rescan your entire collection and once again that takes me 50 minutes on my machines and a gigabit network. When I do rescan with Jinz it does not take away the old references it just adds to, so you end up with duplicates on your site. It also worries me that I have seen the words "you get what you pay for" used in their forums a lot, I am one of the ones that is more than willing to pay for netjuke 2 when it was released. Server is FreeBSD running on a p4 2.4 1gig of mem Client machine Athlon 2800 1gigDDR I am not sure how this app will improve netjuke but I hoping netjuke will improve Jinzora quick like, ok enough complaining and not really complaining just telling my experience so far. I understand the time issue and appreciate you doing what you can to keep the project alive. Time will tell -----Original Message----- From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:[email protected]">mailto:[email protected]</a>] On Behalf Of Blake Watters Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:05 PM To: Art Morales Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> Subject: [Netjuke-users] Re: [Netjuke-devel] [Fwd: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke] Yes, this is real but it does not mean an end to Netjuke. Jinzora 2.0 has an established user interface code base and two very dedicated developers carrying the project forward. We have a good bit of code in Netjuke 2 line, but have never managed to cultivate a rich user interface experience because of lack of skillset and time on my part (I'm the Netjuke lead)... So what we have done going forward is to merge our projects into a new combined effort. This brings us twice the developers and essentially twice the codebase to work with. I find Jinzora overly complicated and not ideal, but I also find Netjuke 1.x very limiting and Netjuke 2.x very immature. I hope to bring a more focused and user oriented experience to Jinzora and raise the quality of their product while doing the same for Netjuke. Jinzora 3.0 will probably be released as 'Netjuke Technologies Jinzora' or some other combination there of. We are working on compatibility layers in the near term to give Netjuke users a consistent experience on an active codebase to hold out for the next major release. I felt that merging with Jinzora was the best possible move I could make to preserve Netjuke as a project and keep moving forward. My day job work is pretty time consuming (software start-up), so I was simply drowning in my vision for Netjuke 2. Jinzora complements those weak spots, so I figure that in 6 months we can have the solution I've been trying to build instead of another year+ at the current pace we were moving as a separate project. The merger is proceeding like this: Ross Carlson (Jinzora Lead) and I have been discussing project structure and architecture and have elected to merge our codebases where appropriate to get the maximum value in a unified project. Much of the architectural robustness, developer tools, and miscellaneous feature code is moving into jinzora's source tree. We're implementing trac for bug tracking and source control and moving to subversion. All Netjuke code is available for forking and will continue to be available in the future. Anybody who doesn't like my plan is invited to fork the code base and proceed in whatever way they feel is appropriate. Blake On Apr 23, 2005, at 10:57 PM, Art Morales wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Is this real? What's going to happen to my beloved netjuke? I like jinzora, but the netjuke implementation fits better for larger libraries (no preloading everything on the html). I tried both, but netjuke was such a better fit :) How is the merger going to happen? is Netjuke done and over with? Please, shed some light on this! Thanks, Art ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Jinzora 2.0 released - upcoming merger with Netjuke From: "Jinzora Announcement" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> Date: Tue, April 19, 2005 10:37 pm To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">---- Jinzora, the leading provider of web-based media management solutions announced today the release of Jinzora 2.0 and an upcoming merger with Netjuke. Jinzora, an open source cross-platform, web- based streaming media management application, enables people to quickly and easily organize and stream their digital music and video to any internet connected computer. Jinzora 2.0 introduces significant new features over its 1.1 predecessor and is the culmination of over a year of hard work by project leader Ross Carlson and chief software architect Ben Dodson. A brief list of Jinzora 2.0 enhancements is listed below. For a more detailed list of enhancements see the Changelog (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jinzora.com/changelog/">http://www.jinzora.com/changelog/</a>), drop by our downloads page (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jinzora.com/pages.php?pn=downloads">http://www.jinzora.com/pages.php?pn=downloads</a>) and visit our Support Forums (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.jinzora.com/forums/">http://www.jinzora.com/forums/</a>) The Jinzora development team is also pleased to announce our upcoming merger with Netjuke, an open source, cross-platform, web-based streaming media jukebox powered by PHP 4. Blake Watters, project leader of Netjuke will soon be joining the Jinzora development team. Jinzora is committed to working closely with the Netjuke community to ease this transition and to ensure that both the Jinzora and Netjuke communities benefit as much as possible from this merger. Jinzora would like to thank Blake Watters for making this possible and we are very excited about working with Blake for future versions. Jinzora 2.0 feature enhancements * The ability to stream media outside of your web path * Quick import tracks - skip pulling tag data - pulled on the fly * Embedded players - have media stream to flash based (Wimpy, XSPF Player) or Windows Media Player embedded in a popup page * Dynamic image resizing - dramatically speed up viewing album art * "Who is where" and "Now streaming" blocks - see what's happening in real time * A Netjuke style interface to help people transition to Jinzora * Full support for Real Media (audio and video) * Ability to download full albums/tracks - displays the size of the download before the download begins * Server side playlist support - save and recall playlists * Full Jukebox support (MPD, Winamp, Audiotron, SlimServer) * Automatically pull metadata for artist/album information * Power Search page * The ability to view album art stored in the ID3 tags * Sort albums by year or album name * Upload media using a web based interface * On the fly resampling using Lame * User browsing history - easily go back to previous pages * Write images to the ID3 tags of tracks * "View all art" - see all albums by art on a single page * User registration engine - allow users to sign up to access a Jinzora based site * Dynamically create images for items missing album/ artist art * Request Manager - give users the ability to request tracks to be added About Jinzora Jinzora is the premiere web based media management solution capable of streaming both audio and video content to Internet or LAN based users. Jinzora also features a powerful jukebox module allowing for control of multiple software and hardware playback platforms. Jinzora's focus on ease of use and powerful interface design makes it the choice for web based media management. Whether you are a small user who wishes to access your media from anywhere or a large organization sharing media with the world, Jinzora is the most powerful solution available today. Founded in August of 2003 by Ross Carlson, Jinzora has grown to a team of 8, with more than 20,000 installs and an estimated user base of 6,000. Contact info: Jinzora Project Leader: Ross Carlson - <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> Jinzora Chief Software Architect: Ben Dodson - <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> Netjuke Project Leader: Blake Watters - <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id%14396&op=click">http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_ide95&alloc_id396&op=click</a> _______________________________________________ Netjuke-devel mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-devel">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/netjuke-devel</a> </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. 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