Re: GM Percussion bank not initialized

Arnaldo Pirrone <[email protected]> Tue, 17 Feb 2026 16:58:52 +0100
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There's no point, GM2.rgd is affected too, and a piano will sound instead
of glockenspiel depending on your luck. No drums though.
The culprit is QSynth and it was acknowledged here this morning:
https://github.com/rncbc/qsynth/issues/90

Il giorno mar 17 feb 2026 alle ore 14:12 chuck elliot <[email protected]>
ha scritto:

> ok. Just to be sure, try the following:
>
> open an existing problem 'song'.
>
> open device manager and import the GM2.rgd device.
>
> Change all the tracks assigned to 'General Midi' (GM.rgd) to use GM2.
>
> Delete the 'General Midi' (GM.rgd) device from the device manager list.
>
> Save the 'song'.
>
> Close the 'song'.
>
> Re-open the 'song'
>
> Check the tracks are assigned to GM2...
>
> ???
>
>
> On 17/02/2026 09:21, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:
>
> Thank you, that makes me aware how to save a default studio with GM2.rgd,
> but it won't fix the songs already created.
> I have dozens of rg files that I have put together over time and these are
> always loading the previous GM.rgd studio settings,
> which, I can assure you, were working fine.
> By the way, it looks like I'm not the only one:
>
> https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/141604/wrong-drum-percussion-sound-in-rosegarden
>
>
> Il giorno lun 16 feb 2026 alle ore 23:12 chuck elliot <[email protected]>
> ha scritto:
>
>> Hi Arnaldo,
>>
>> if I understand you correctly I suspect that you are thinking that if you
>> select GM2 as
>>
>> the device then you are setting it as a default for all 'songs' but it
>> does not work like that.
>>
>> The devices are saved with each 'song' (.rg file) and so you need to set
>> them for each 'song'
>>
>> or else set up a default studio with the desired devices as a start
>> position for all 'songs'.
>>
>> See the 'studio' menu for saving a default studio.
>>
>> Apologies if I have misunderstood your issue.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chuck.
>>
>>
>> On 16/02/2026 15:16, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for bringing this up again, the few times I open Rosegarden I'm
>> still facing the same issue.
>> I recently noticed that if I try to replace GM2.rgd in the MIDI device
>> settings, it will always change to GM.rgd every time I open any .rg file.
>> By conducting further testing with the help of a web based midifile
>> player found at https://chiptune.app/,
>> that also lets you use the fluidsynth engine that's running locally, I
>> noticed that the percussion track is getting initialized properly
>> with the standard kit, while, for some reason, I still get the
>> glockenspiel in Rosegarden.
>> So I have a question, if the problem is the autoload and GM.rgd (which
>> has always worked without the slightest hiccup until mid-late 2024)
>> why isn't GM2.rgd set as default? BTW, I have never used a custom
>> autoload.rg, I don't even know where it is located.
>>
>> Il giorno mar 5 ago 2025 alle ore 19:24 chuck elliot <[email protected]>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>>> I'm using GM2.rgd percussion on channel 10, Standard Kit and the
>>> percussion map is there
>>>
>>> in the Percussion Editor as expected, so I am not having that problem
>>> with GM2.rgd...
>>>
>>> Chuck.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/08/2025 16:37, Ted Felix wrote:
>>> >   So it sounds like what Chuck was saying.  With the GM.rgd file
>>> > (which is included in the autoload), the bank select is not being sent
>>> > out on channel 10.  This is causing the problem.  The GM2.rgd device
>>> > file sends out the bank select and fixes the issue.
>>> >
>>> >   Use GM2.rgd and you should be good.  You can also replace your
>>> > autoload with one based on GM2.rgd and you'll always be set each time
>>> > you start a new composition.
>>> >
>>> > > With GM2.rgd I have to untick "Percussion" from instrument parameter
>>> >
>>> >   I'm not sure why you would need to do that.  GM2 has track 10 set as
>>> > percussion as it should be.  That checkbox makes sure the percussion
>>> > banks and percussion key maps are used on track 10. (Looks like there
>>> > is a bug in our GM2.rgd where the percussion key map isn't used for
>>> > the Standard kit like it should be, but everything else looks ok.)
>>> >
>>> >   With GS you can use track 10 for something other than percussion if
>>> > you want, or you can make other tracks into percussion tracks via
>>> > sysex messages.
>>> >
>>> > Ted.
>>> >
>>> > On 8/5/25 12:57 AM, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:
>>> >> Just tried, I can actually hear percussion with this one.
>>> >>
>>> >> Il giorno lun 4 ago 2025 alle ore 21:02 Ted Felix <ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]
>>> >> <mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>> ha scritto:
>>> >>
>>> >>         Everything looks good.  Plays percussion for me via
>>> fluidsynth.
>>> >>
>>> >>         Definitely seems like something outside rg is to blame.
>>> >>
>>> >>         I've attached a GM2 version for testing.  Does this improve
>>> >>     anything?
>>> >>
>>> >>     Ted.
>>> >>
>>> >>     On 8/4/25 1:32 PM, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:
>>> >>      > Here. Glockenspiel.
>>> >>      > Another test that I ran was the following command to play a
>>> >> midi file
>>> >>      > fluidsynth -a alsa -m alsa_seq -l -i /usr/share/sounds/sf2/
>>> >>      > FluidR3_GM.sf2 [midifile]
>>> >>      > No glockenspiel but neither full percussion, so I guess it's
>>> not
>>> >>      > rosegarden at this point.
>>> >>      >
>>> >>      > Il giorno lun 4 ago 2025 alle ore 19:09 Ted Felix
>>> >>     <ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected] <mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>
>>> >>      > <mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected] <mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]>>> ha
>>> scritto:
>>> >>      >
>>> >>      >         I'm not aware of any changes that could cause this
>>> >>     issue.  There
>>> >>      >     could be a problem with your autoload.  Can you do this:
>>> >>      >
>>> >>      >     1. File > New
>>> >>      >     2. Create a short segment on track 10.
>>> >>      >     3. Using matrix or notation, whichever you prefer, drop
>>> some
>>> >>     notes in.
>>> >>      >     4. Play.
>>> >>      >     5. What do you hear?  Drums or glock?
>>> >>      >     6. Save the .rg file and send it to me.
>>> >>      >
>>> >>      >     Ted.
>>> >>      >
>>> >>      >     On 03/08/2025 20:44, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:
>>> >>      >      > I noticed that every time I load a file which contains a
>>> >>     percussion
>>> >>      >      > track, a glockenspiel sounds instead of it.
>>> >>      >
>>> >>      >
>>> >>      >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>There&#39;s no point, GM2.rgd is affected too, and a =
piano will sound instead of glockenspiel depending on your luck. No drums t=
hough.</div><div>The culprit is QSynth and it was acknowledged here this mo=
rning:</div><div><a href=3D"https://github.com/rncbc/qsynth/issues/90">http=
s://github.com/rncbc/qsynth/issues/90</a></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Il gio=
rno mar 17 feb 2026 alle ore 14:12 chuck elliot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:c.ell=
[email protected]">[email protected]</a>&gt; ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>

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  <div>
    <p>ok. Just to be sure, try the following:</p>
    <p>open an existing problem &#39;song&#39;.</p>
    <p>open device manager and import the GM2.rgd device.</p>
    <p>Change all the tracks assigned to &#39;General Midi&#39; (GM.rgd) to=
 use
      GM2.</p>
    <p>Delete the &#39;General Midi&#39; (GM.rgd) device from the device ma=
nager
      list.</p>
    <p>Save the &#39;song&#39;.</p>
    <p>Close the &#39;song&#39;.</p>
    <p>Re-open the &#39;song&#39;</p>
    <p>Check the tracks are assigned to GM2...</p>
    <p>???</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div>On 17/02/2026 09:21, Arnaldo Pirrone
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     =20
      <div dir=3D"ltr">
        <div>Thank you, that makes me aware how to save a default studio
          with GM2.rgd, but it won&#39;t fix the songs already created.</di=
v>
        <div>I have dozens of rg files that I have put together over
          time and these are always loading the previous GM.rgd studio
          settings,</div>
        <div>which, I can assure you, were working fine.=C2=A0</div>
        <div>By the=C2=A0way, it looks like I&#39;m not the only one:=C2=A0=
</div>
        <div><a href=3D"https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/141604/wr=
ong-drum-percussion-sound-in-rosegarden" target=3D"_blank">https://music.st=
ackexchange.com/questions/141604/wrong-drum-percussion-sound-in-rosegarden<=
/a></div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Il giorno lun 16 feb 2026 all=
e
          ore 23:12 chuck elliot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;
          ha scritto:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div>
            <p>Hi Arnaldo,</p>
            <p>if I understand you correctly I suspect that you are
              thinking that if you select GM2 as</p>
            <p>the device then you are setting it as a default for all
              &#39;songs&#39; but it does not work like that.</p>
            <p>The devices are saved with each &#39;song&#39; (.rg file) an=
d so
              you need to set them for each &#39;song&#39;</p>
            <p>or else set up a default studio with the desired devices
              as a start position for all &#39;songs&#39;.</p>
            <p>See the &#39;studio&#39; menu for saving a default studio.</=
p>
            <p>Apologies if I have misunderstood your issue.</p>
            <p>Regards,</p>
            <p>Chuck.</p>
            <p><br>
            </p>
            <div>On 16/02/2026 15:16, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:<br>
            </div>
            <blockquote type=3D"cite">
              <div dir=3D"ltr">
                <div>Sorry for bringing this up again, the few times I
                  open Rosegarden I&#39;m still facing the same issue.</div=
>
                <div>I recently noticed that if I try to replace GM2.rgd
                  in the MIDI device settings, it will always change to
                  GM.rgd every time I open any .rg file.</div>
                <div>By conducting further testing with the help of a
                  web based midifile player found at=C2=A0<a href=3D"https:=
//chiptune.app/" target=3D"_blank">https://chiptune.app/</a>,=C2=A0<br>
                  that also lets you use the fluidsynth engine that&#39;s
                  running locally, I noticed that the percussion track
                  is getting initialized properly</div>
                <div>with the standard kit, while, for some reason, I
                  still get the glockenspiel in Rosegarden.</div>
                <div>So I have a question, if the problem is the
                  autoload and GM.rgd (<span><span>which</span></span><span=
>
                  </span><span><span>has</span></span><span> </span><span><=
span>always</span></span><span>
                  </span><span><span>worked</span></span><span> </span><spa=
n><span>without</span></span><span>
                  </span><span><span>the</span></span><span> </span><span><=
span>slightest</span></span><span>
                  </span><span><span>hiccup</span></span><span><span>=C2=A0=
until
                      mid-late 2024)</span></span></div>
                <div>why isn&#39;t GM2.rgd set as default? BTW, I have neve=
r
                  used a custom autoload.rg, I don&#39;t even know where it
                  is located.</div>
              </div>
              <br>
              <div class=3D"gmail_quote">
                <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Il giorno mar 5 ago
                  2025 alle ore 19:24 chuck elliot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:c.=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;
                  ha scritto:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote">I&#39;m using GM2.rgd
                  percussion on channel 10, Standard Kit and the <br>
                  percussion map is there<br>
                  <br>
                  in the Percussion Editor as expected, so I am not
                  having that problem <br>
                  with GM2.rgd...<br>
                  <br>
                  Chuck.<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  On 05/08/2025 16:37, Ted Felix wrote:<br>
                  &gt; =C2=A0 So it sounds like what Chuck was saying.=C2=
=A0 With
                  the GM.rgd file <br>
                  &gt; (which is included in the autoload), the bank
                  select is not being sent <br>
                  &gt; out on channel 10.=C2=A0 This is causing the problem=
.=C2=A0
                  The GM2.rgd device <br>
                  &gt; file sends out the bank select and fixes the
                  issue.<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; =C2=A0 Use GM2.rgd and you should be good.=C2=A0 You=
 can
                  also replace your <br>
                  &gt; autoload with one based on GM2.rgd and you&#39;ll
                  always be set each time <br>
                  &gt; you start a new composition.<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; &gt; With GM2.rgd I have to untick &quot;Percussion&=
quot;
                  from instrument parameter<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; =C2=A0 I&#39;m not sure why you would need to do tha=
t.=C2=A0
                  GM2 has track 10 set as <br>
                  &gt; percussion as it should be.=C2=A0 That checkbox make=
s
                  sure the percussion <br>
                  &gt; banks and percussion key maps are used on track
                  10. (Looks like there <br>
                  &gt; is a bug in our GM2.rgd where the percussion key
                  map isn&#39;t used for <br>
                  &gt; the Standard kit like it should be, but
                  everything else looks ok.)<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; =C2=A0 With GS you can use track 10 for something
                  other than percussion if <br>
                  &gt; you want, or you can make other tracks into
                  percussion tracks via <br>
                  &gt; sysex messages.<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; Ted.<br>
                  &gt;<br>
                  &gt; On 8/5/25 12:57 AM, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:<br>
                  &gt;&gt; Just tried, I can actually hear percussion
                  with this one.<br>
                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; Il giorno lun 4 ago 2025 alle ore 21:02 Ted
                  Felix &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" target=3D"_=
blank">ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</a> <br>
                  &gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" t=
arget=3D"_blank">ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</a>&gt;&gt;
                  ha scritto:<br>
                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Everything=
 looks good.=C2=A0 Plays
                  percussion for me via fluidsynth.<br>
                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Definitely=
 seems like something
                  outside rg is to blame.<br>
                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;ve a=
ttached a GM2 version for
                  testing.=C2=A0 Does this improve<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 anything?<br>
                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ted.<br>
                  &gt;&gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 On 8/4/25 1:32 PM, Arnaldo Pi=
rrone wrote:<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt; Here. Glockenspiel=
.<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt; Another test that=
=C2=A0I ran was the
                  following command to play a <br>
                  &gt;&gt; midi file<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt; fluidsynth -a alsa=
 -m alsa_seq -l
                  -i /usr/share/sounds/sf2/<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt; FluidR3_GM.sf2 [mi=
difile]<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt; No glockenspiel bu=
t neither full
                  percussion, so I guess it&#39;s not<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt; rosegarden at this=
 point.<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt; Il giorno lun 4 ag=
o 2025 alle ore
                  19:09 Ted Felix<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ted@ted=
felix.com" target=3D"_blank">ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</a>
                  &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" target=3D"=
_blank">ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</a>&gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</a>
                  &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" target=3D"=
_blank">ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</a>&gt;&gt;&gt;
                  ha scritto:<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;m not aware of any
                  changes that could cause this<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 issue.=C2=A0 There<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0could be a problem with your
                  autoload.=C2=A0 Can you do this:<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A01. File &gt; New<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A02. Create a short segment on
                  track 10.<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A03. Using matrix or notation,
                  whichever you prefer, drop some<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 notes in.<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A04. Play.<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A05. What do you hear?=C2=A0 Drums or
                  glock?<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A06. Save the .rg file and send
                  it to me.<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0Ted.<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0On 03/08/2025 20:44, Arnaldo
                  Pirrone wrote:<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 &gt; I noticed that every time
                  I load a file which contains a<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 percussion<br>
                  &gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
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