Re: GM Percussion bank not initialized
chuck elliot <[email protected]> Tue, 17 Feb 2026 16:10:39 +0000
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Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DUTF= -8"> </head> <body> <p>I am using QSynth too - 'no problem getting percussion sounds using either GM or GM2...</p> <p><br> </p> <p><br> </p> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 17/02/2026 15:58, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid:CAE71nL=3DEY-O_Y9ZQRf9uJ_spiFxyaUCAR3TpditysnQcP9s2wA-Rq2MYuBUFGs@public.gmane.org= ail.com"> <meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DU= TF-8"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>There's no point, GM2.rgd is affected too, and a piano will sound instead of glockenspiel depending on your luck. No drums though.</div> <div>The culprit is QSynth and it was acknowledged here this morning:</div> <div><a href=3D"https://github.com/rncbc/qsynth/issues/90" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">http= s://github.com/rncbc/qsynth/issues/90</a></div> </div> <br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Il giorno mar 17 feb 2026 a= lle ore 14:12 chuck elliot <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= " moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">c.el= [email protected]</a>> ha scritto:<br> </div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);= padding-left:1ex"> <div> <p>ok. Just to be sure, try the following:</p> <p>open an existing problem 'song'.</p> <p>open device manager and import the GM2.rgd device.</p> <p>Change all the tracks assigned to 'General Midi' (GM.rgd) to use GM2.</p> <p>Delete the 'General Midi' (GM.rgd) device from the device manager list.</p> <p>Save the 'song'.</p> <p>Close the 'song'.</p> <p>Re-open the 'song'</p> <p>Check the tracks are assigned to GM2...</p> <p>???</p> <p><br> </p> <div>On 17/02/2026 09:21, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>Thank you, that makes me aware how to save a default studio with GM2.rgd, but it won't fix the songs already created.</div> <div>I have dozens of rg files that I have put together over time and these are always loading the previous GM.rgd studio settings,</div> <div>which, I can assure you, were working fine.=C2=A0</d= iv> <div>By the=C2=A0way, it looks like I'm not the only one:= =C2=A0</div> <div><a href=3D"https://music.stackexchange.com/questions/141604/wrong-drum-percu= ssion-sound-in-rosegarden" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://music.stackex= change.com/questions/141604/wrong-drum-percussion-sound-in-rosegarden</a>= </div> <div><br> </div> </div> <br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Il giorno lun 16 fe= b 2026 alle ore 23:12 chuck elliot <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freete= xt">[email protected]</a>> ha scritto:<br> </div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);= padding-left:1ex"> <div> <p>Hi Arnaldo,</p> <p>if I understand you correctly I suspect that you are thinking that if you select GM2 as</p> <p>the device then you are setting it as a default for all 'songs' but it does not work like that.</p>= <p>The devices are saved with each 'song' (.rg file) and so you need to set them for each 'song'</p> <p>or else set up a default studio with the desired devices as a start position for all 'songs'.</p> <p>See the 'studio' menu for saving a default studio.</p> <p>Apologies if I have misunderstood your issue.</p> <p>Regards,</p> <p>Chuck.</p> <p><br> </p> <div>On 16/02/2026 15:16, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div>Sorry for bringing this up again, the few times I open Rosegarden I'm still facing the same issue.</div> <div>I recently noticed that if I try to replace GM2.rgd in the MIDI device settings, it will always change to GM.rgd every time I open any .rg file.</div> <div>By conducting further testing with the help of a web based midifile player found at=C2=A0<a= href=3D"https://chiptune.app/" target=3D"_bla= nk" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://chipt= une.app/</a>,=C2=A0<br> that also lets you use the fluidsynth engine that's running locally, I noticed that the percussion track is getting initialized properly</div> <div>with the standard kit, while, for some reason, I still get the glockenspiel in Rosegarden.</div> <div>So I have a question, if the problem is the autoload and GM.rgd (<span><span>which</span></= span><span> </span><span><span>has</span></span><span> </sp= an><span><span>always</span></span><span> </span><span><span>worked</span></span><span> </span><span><span>without</span></span><span> </span><span><span>the</span></span><span> </sp= an><span><span>slightest</span></span><span> </span><span><span>hiccup</span></span><span><s= pan>=C2=A0until mid-late 2024)</span></span></div> <div>why isn't GM2.rgd set as default? BTW, I have never used a custom autoload.rg, I don't even know where it is located.</div> </div> <br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Il giorno m= ar 5 ago 2025 alle ore 19:24 chuck elliot <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">c.elliot@pobo= x.com</a>> ha scritto:<br> </div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote">I'm using GM2.rgd percussion on channel 10, Standard Kit and the <br> percussion map is there<br> <br> in the Percussion Editor as expected, so I am not having that problem <br> with GM2.rgd...<br> <br> Chuck.<br> <br> <br> On 05/08/2025 16:37, Ted Felix wrote:<br> > =C2=A0 So it sounds like what Chuck was saying.=C2=A0 With the GM.rgd file <br> > (which is included in the autoload), the bank select is not being sent <br> > out on channel 10.=C2=A0 This is causing t= he problem.=C2=A0 The GM2.rgd device <br> > file sends out the bank select and fixes the issue.<br> ><br> > =C2=A0 Use GM2.rgd and you should be good.= =C2=A0 You can also replace your <br> > autoload with one based on GM2.rgd and you'll always be set each time <br> > you start a new composition.<br> ><br> > > With GM2.rgd I have to untick "Percussion" from instrument parameter<br> ><br> > =C2=A0 I'm not sure why you would need to = do that.=C2=A0 GM2 has track 10 set as <br> > percussion as it should be.=C2=A0 That checkbox makes sure the percussion <br> > banks and percussion key maps are used on track 10. (Looks like there <br> > is a bug in our GM2.rgd where the percussion key map isn't used for <br> > the Standard kit like it should be, but everything else looks ok.)<br> ><br> > =C2=A0 With GS you can use track 10 for something other than percussion if <br> > you want, or you can make other tracks into percussion tracks via <br> > sysex messages.<br> ><br> > Ted.<br> ><br> > On 8/5/25 12:57 AM, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:<br> >> Just tried, I can actually hear percussion with this one.<br> >><br> >> Il giorno lun 4 ago 2025 alle ore 21:02 Ted Felix <<a href=3D"mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">ted@tedfelix.= com</a> <br> >> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">ted@tedfelix.= com</a>>> ha scritto:<br> >><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= Everything looks good.=C2=A0 Plays percussion for me via fluidsynth.<br> >><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= Definitely seems like something outside rg is to blame.<br> >><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= I've attached a GM2 version for testing.=C2=A0 Does this improve<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 anything?<br> >><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ted.<br> >><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 On 8/4/25 1:32 PM, = Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Here. Gl= ockenspiel.<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Another = test that=C2=A0I ran was the following command to play a <br> >> midi file<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > fluidsyn= th -a alsa -m alsa_seq -l -i /usr/share/sounds/sf2/<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > FluidR3_= GM.sf2 [midifile]<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > No glock= enspiel but neither full percussion, so I guess it's not<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > rosegard= en at this point.<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > Il giorn= o lun 4 ago 2025 alle ore 19:09 Ted Felix<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <<a href=3D"mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">ted@tedfelix.= com</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">ted@tedfelix.= com</a>><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > <mail= to:<a href=3D"mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">ted@tedfelix.= com</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:ted-Ll1PANez7xxWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">ted@tedfelix.= com</a>>>> ha scritto:<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm not aware of any changes that could cause this<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 issue.=C2=A0 There<= br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0could be a problem with your autoload.=C2=A0 Can you do this:<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A01. File > New<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A02. Create a short segment on track 10.<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A03. Using matrix or notation, whichever you prefer, drop some<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 notes in.<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A04. Play.<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A05. What do you hear?=C2=A0 Drums or glock?<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A06. Save the .rg file and send it to me.<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0Ted.<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0On 03/08/2025 20:44, Arnaldo Pirrone wrote:<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 > I noticed that every time I load a file which contains a<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 percussion<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 > track, a glockenspiel sounds instead of it.<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0_________________________________________= ______<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0Rosegarden-user mailing list<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > <a href=3D"mailto:Rosegarden-user-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">Rosegarden-us= [email protected]</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:Rosegarden-" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">Rosegarden-</= a><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]= urceforge.net</a>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:Rosegarden-" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">Rosegarden-</= a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:Rosegarden-" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">Rosegarden-</= a>><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]= urceforge.net</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]= urceforge.net</a>>> -<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 use the link below = to unsubscribe<br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists= =2Esourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user</a><br> >> <<a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists= =2Esourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user</a>><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 > =C2=A0&l= t;<a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists= =2Esourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user</a><br> >> <<a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists= =2Esourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user</a>>><br> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ><br> >><br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > _______________________________________________= <br> > Rosegarden-user mailing list<br> > <a href=3D"mailto:Rosegarden-user-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">Rosegarden-us= [email protected]</a> - use the link below to unsubscribe<br> > <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists= =2Esourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user</a><br> _______________________________________________<br> Rosegarden-user mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:Rosegarden-user-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">Rosegarden-us= [email protected]</a> - use the link below to unsubscribe<br> <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists= =2Esourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user</a><br> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html> --------------xHtdCFF5yHejOlQRiAN5WQO3-- --------------dLq7lM89L06iHY7eoH145CJA Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; 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