Re: Re: Speak Freely End of Life Announcements

speak freely is still ueable on other ip based networks, like wireless 
networks and LAN/WAN's. 

i would like to have an cellphone using 2.4Ghz wireless wi-fi with speak 
freely installed, so i could call anyone in my ip range.

converting speak freely to ipv6 would be good thing, as it is lot easier to 
get pernament ipv6 ip range. 
with ipv4 you're still dependent to your isp, while something like ip number 
is something very personal, which shouldn't change, or be 'unroutable' 




On Friday 01 August 2003 15:09, Johannes Poehlmann wrote:
> I am not happy reading John Walkers anouncment.
>
> As others already pointed out, SF is the most usable secure internet
> telefony program running on both UNIX/Linux and Windows. John deserves
> our gratitude and deep respect for what he has created for us.
>
> Although I deplore it, I have to admit the correctness of John Walkers
> analysis about the internet getting a place where users are no more equal
> and the vast majority will not be able in the future to "accept a
> call/connection" from another user.
>
> Big interests (Telcos, goverment agencies, record industry etc) want to
> confine the "normal" user into a "consumer" role and do not like that
> everybody can be a "server" or a "peer".
>
> This could be the end of all kinds of peer to peer applications, not
> only internet telefony.
>
> Also I have to admit that a open and correct "End of Live" declaration
> is far better then just abandoning a program. More so, as John  allows
> interested developers to continue with it, if they want.
>
> I think, we should think about the point, John is making on the
> future impossibility to use internet telefony peer to peer.
>
> Let us discuss possible alternatives to the NAT infested internet:
> 1 going back to dial up internet connections
> 2 pushing internet providers to give us IPv6
> 3 going back to direct modem to modem connections via telefone
>   (not saving money, but allowing to encrypt telefony)
> 4 waiting on mobile phones you can run programs on offering an API
>   you can use to encrypt speech. (Not saving money, but privacy)
>
> 1. Pro: easy for most (windows) user, cheap (in Germany), you can find
>         providers who give you internet with no NAT.
>    Con: You must announce your actual internet adress by using a LWL
>         Server or a dyndns service.
>         You must pay for the dial up time.
>    Bootom line: As long as there is dial up internet w/o NAT this is
>    annoying but possible.  Will do for 1 or 2 years.
>
> 2. Pro: IPv6 will solve the NAT problem
>    Con: As John pointed out, this will need much time, and as i have to
>         add, powerfull interests want peer to peer to be impossible
> 	without a controlling man in the middle.
>    Bottom line: Try it, but have a alternative strategy
>
>
> 3. Pro: Everyone with an analog Telefone can call and accept calls
>    Con: Saves no money, only interesting for security
>         I experienced problem getting to consumer modems to connect,
> 	Often you have to send special AT commands to force the modem
> 	to offer a V34 connect.
> 	In the office you often need an ISDN card instead of a modem.
>
> 4. Pro: This would be the killer app on mobile phones
>    Con: Will we ever see this kind of mobile phones ?
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:16:30PM +0200, Speak Freely Forum wrote:
> > Message posted to the Speak Freely Forum
> >   by John Walker on Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:16:30 +0200 (MEST).
> >   http://www.fourmilab.ch/wb/speak-freely.pl?rev=310
> >
> > Effective January 15th, 2004, Speak Freely will be removed from the
> > www.fourmilab.ch site, along with associated support such as the mailing
> > lists, forum, Look Who's Listening server, and Echo server.
> >
> > For details of precisely what will happen to Speak Freely on that date,
> > why its end of life is being declared, and what this means to current
> > users (short answer: nothing), please see the full announcement:
> >
> > http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/eol/
> >
> > Tomorrow, August 1st, 2003, a banner will be added to all of the
> > principal Speak Freely pages on the www.fourmilab.ch site pointing to
> > this document. I'm pre-announcing it to the mailing list and forum to
> > provide a heads up before the general public sees the announcement.
> >
> > I shall not debate this decision, the reasons for which are completely
> > spelled out in the document cited above.
> >
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