Re: Big Sur warnings
[email protected] Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:48:00 -0700
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--000000000000d67ea105b0a14b89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Josh, running the IDE from Terminal worked for me as well. Not sure what's wrong with these builds... Marcin On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:58 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > I was able to start the IDE with launching: > > SuperCollider.app/Contents/MacOS/SuperCollider > > From Terminal. > > Best, > Josh > > On Oct 1, 2020, at 11:24, [email protected] wrote: > > Actually, I can't start the IDE... I can start the lang itself though. > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:22 AM Marcin P=C4=85czkowski <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> FWIW when I download the dev build I get the message "=E2=80=9CSuperColl= ider=E2=80=9D is >> damaged and can=E2=80=99t be opened.". However, if I navigate in the pac= kage >> contents, I can start SC. (I'm on 10.13) >> I thought that the dev issue was due to in issue with QT 5.15.1, but >> that's been fixed in >> https://github.com/supercollider/supercollider/pull/5178 >> Marcin >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 9:30 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Scott - >>> The developer build downloads as a Zero KB executable for me - can you >>> see if you see that as well? >>> >>> Josh >>> >>> >>> On Sep 30, 2020, at 05:26, scott-y6qSm6YX8/[email protected] wrote: >>> >>> Current develop builds >>> <http://supercollider.s3.amazonaws.com/builds/supercollider/supercollid= er/osx/develop-latest.html> >>> work (apart from notarization issues) on the Big Sur drop from a week o= r >>> two ago. >>> >>> Big Sur support issues that I forsee: >>> >>> - [critical] Supernova needs to switch it's realtime thread setup to us= e >>> audio workgroups rather than manually scheduling threads via the lower >>> level API's it's using now. This is likely a small engineering change, = but >>> will require some pretty extensive testing ... and god forbid we find a >>> problem / performance regression.... Without this change, Supernova may >>> have some degraded performance, or may simply not work. >>> >>> - [minor] Audio Units v2 support on Big Sur has seen some substantial >>> changes (all AU plugins are now run out-of-process, and the thread call= ing >>> semantics have changed significantly). SuperColliderAU will need to be >>> tested pretty extensively, and may need some changes - though we may be= in >>> the clear since we're engine-only and don't implement any proper UI. >>> >>> - [cosmetic] We list QT >=3D 5.11 as a minimum requirement. No Big Sur >>> fixes will be backported to 5.11, so we'll have to bump to at least 5.1= 2. >>> Big Sur backports *seem* to be a guaranteed part of 5.12 LTS, but it's >>> still worth testing 5.12 to see if it is, in fact, fully supporting Big= Sur. >>> >>> Due to some of the Audio Units changes, I predict that Big Sur will hav= e >>> a VERY long tail of work required by audio apps in general. Even more t= han >>> usual, I think audio users will be staying on Catalina for a long time = - so >>> very possibly SC could actually come out ahead of the curve here. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:44 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:28 AM <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > It did - I sent to both. >>>> >>>> That's good -- I saw only one (with [sc-dev] in the header) and >>>> wondered about it. >>>> >>>> hjh >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> sc-dev mailing list >>>> >>>> info (subscription, etc.): >>>> http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/supercollid= er/mailinglist.aspx >>>> archive: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/ >>>> search: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/ >>>> >>> >>> > --000000000000d67ea105b0a14b89 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks Josh, running the IDE from Terminal worked for me a= s well.=C2=A0<div>Not sure what's wrong with these builds...</div><div>= Marcin</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"= gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:58 AM <<a href=3D"mailto:josh@real= izedsound.net">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote c= lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli= d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-wor= d;">I was able to start the IDE with launching:<div><br></div><div><div sty= le=3D"margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:Monaco;= color:rgb(16,16,16);background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0.85)"><span style=3D= "font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">SuperCollider.app/Contents/Mac= OS/SuperCollider</span></div><div><br></div><div>From Terminal.</div><div><= br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Josh</div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">= <div>On Oct 1, 2020, at 11:24, <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Actu= ally, I can't start the IDE... I can start the lang itself though.</div= ><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Th= u, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:22 AM Marcin P=C4=85czkowski <<a href=3D"mailto:dyf= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">FWIW when= I download the dev build I get the message "=E2=80=9CSuperCollider=E2= =80=9D is damaged and can=E2=80=99t be opened.". However, if I navigat= e=C2=A0in the package contents, I can start SC. (I'm on 10.13)<div>I th= ought that the dev issue was due to in issue with QT 5.15.1, but that's= been fixed in=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/supercollider/supercollid= er/pull/5178" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/supercollider/supercolli= der/pull/5178</a></div><div>Marcin</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote= "><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 9:30 AM <= <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">josh@realizedso= und.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"= margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef= t:1ex"><div>Scott -=C2=A0<div>The developer build downloads as a Zero KB ex= ecutable for me - can you see if you see that as well?</div><div><br></div>= <div>Josh</div><div><br><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On Sep 30, = 2020, at 05:26, <a href=3D"mailto:scott-y6qSm6YX8/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">sc= ott-y6qSm6YX8/[email protected]</a> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Current <a= href=3D"http://supercollider.s3.amazonaws.com/builds/supercollider/superco= llider/osx/develop-latest.html" target=3D"_blank">develop builds</a> work (= apart from notarization issues)=C2=A0on the=C2=A0Big Sur drop from a week o= r two ago.</div><div><br></div><div>Big Sur support issues that I forsee:</= div><div><br></div><div>- [critical] Supernova needs to switch it's rea= ltime thread setup to use audio workgroups rather than manually scheduling = threads via the lower level API's it's using now. This is likely a = small engineering change, but will require some pretty extensive testing ..= . and god forbid we find a problem / performance regression.... Without thi= s change, Supernova may have some degraded performance, or may simply not w= ork.</div><div><br></div><div>- [minor] Audio Units v2 support on Big Sur h= as seen some substantial changes (all AU plugins are now run out-of-process= , and the thread calling semantics have changed significantly). SuperCollid= erAU will need to be tested pretty extensively, and may need some changes -= though we may be in the clear since we're engine-only and don't im= plement any proper UI.</div><div><br></div><div>- [cosmetic] We list QT >= ;=3D 5.11 as a minimum requirement. No Big Sur fixes will be backported to = 5.11, so we'll have to bump to at least 5.12. Big Sur backports *seem* = to be a guaranteed part of 5.12 LTS, but it's still worth testing 5.12 = to see if it is, in fact, fully supporting Big Sur.</div><div><br></div><di= v>Due to some of the Audio Units changes, I predict that Big Sur will have = a VERY long tail of work required by audio apps in general. Even more than = usual, I think audio users will be staying=C2=A0on Catalina for a long time= - so very possibly SC could actually come out ahead of the curve here.</di= v><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" clas= s=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:44 AM <<a href=3D"mailto:jams= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br>= </div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;b= order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Sep 30, 202= 0 at 8:28 AM <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank= ">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> > It did - I sent to both.<br> <br> That's good -- I saw only one (with [sc-dev] in the header) and<br> wondered about it.<br> <br> hjh<br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> sc-dev mailing list<br> <br> info (subscription, etc.): <a href=3D"http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilitie= s/ea-studios/research/supercollider/mailinglist.aspx" rel=3D"noreferrer" ta= rget=3D"_blank">http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/= supercollider/mailinglist.aspx</a><br> archive: <a href=3D"http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/" rel=3D= "noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-d= ev/</a><br> search: <a href=3D"http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/" rel= =3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-de= v/search/</a><br> </blockquote></div> </div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div> </blockquote></div> </div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div> --000000000000d67ea105b0a14b89-- _______________________________________________ sc-dev mailing list info (subscription, etc.): http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/supercollider/mailinglist.aspx archive: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/ search: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/