Re: Big Sur warnings
[email protected] Thu, 1 Oct 2020 11:55:29 -0700
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--Apple-Mail=_24D32E16-341E-42ED-998B-050A5E5EFA41 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I was able to start the IDE with launching: SuperCollider.app/Contents/MacOS/SuperCollider =46rom Terminal. Best, Josh > On Oct 1, 2020, at 11:24, [email protected] wrote: >=20 > Actually, I can't start the IDE... I can start the lang itself though. >=20 > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:22 AM Marcin P=C4=85czkowski = <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > FWIW when I download the dev build I get the message = "=E2=80=9CSuperCollider=E2=80=9D is damaged and can=E2=80=99t be = opened.". However, if I navigate in the package contents, I can start = SC. (I'm on 10.13) > I thought that the dev issue was due to in issue with QT 5.15.1, but = that's been fixed in = https://github.com/supercollider/supercollider/pull/5178 = <https://github.com/supercollider/supercollider/pull/5178> > Marcin >=20 > On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 9:30 AM <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Scott -=20 > The developer build downloads as a Zero KB executable for me - can you = see if you see that as well? >=20 > Josh >=20 >=20 >> On Sep 30, 2020, at 05:26, scott-y6qSm6YX8/[email protected] = <mailto:scott-y6qSm6YX8/[email protected]> wrote: >>=20 >> Current develop builds = <http://supercollider.s3.amazonaws.com/builds/supercollider/supercollider/= osx/develop-latest.html> work (apart from notarization issues) on the = Big Sur drop from a week or two ago. >>=20 >> Big Sur support issues that I forsee: >>=20 >> - [critical] Supernova needs to switch it's realtime thread setup to = use audio workgroups rather than manually scheduling threads via the = lower level API's it's using now. This is likely a small engineering = change, but will require some pretty extensive testing ... and god = forbid we find a problem / performance regression.... Without this = change, Supernova may have some degraded performance, or may simply not = work. >>=20 >> - [minor] Audio Units v2 support on Big Sur has seen some substantial = changes (all AU plugins are now run out-of-process, and the thread = calling semantics have changed significantly). SuperColliderAU will need = to be tested pretty extensively, and may need some changes - though we = may be in the clear since we're engine-only and don't implement any = proper UI. >>=20 >> - [cosmetic] We list QT >=3D 5.11 as a minimum requirement. No Big = Sur fixes will be backported to 5.11, so we'll have to bump to at least = 5.12. Big Sur backports *seem* to be a guaranteed part of 5.12 LTS, but = it's still worth testing 5.12 to see if it is, in fact, fully supporting = Big Sur. >>=20 >> Due to some of the Audio Units changes, I predict that Big Sur will = have a VERY long tail of work required by audio apps in general. Even = more than usual, I think audio users will be staying on Catalina for a = long time - so very possibly SC could actually come out ahead of the = curve here. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 2:44 AM <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:28 AM <[email protected] = <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > It did - I sent to both. >>=20 >> That's good -- I saw only one (with [sc-dev] in the header) and >> wondered about it. >>=20 >> hjh >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> sc-dev mailing list >>=20 >> info (subscription, etc.): = http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/supercollider/m= ailinglist.aspx = <http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/supercollider/= mailinglist.aspx> >> archive: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/ = <http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/> >> search: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/ = <http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/> >=20 --Apple-Mail=_24D32E16-341E-42ED-998B-050A5E5EFA41 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">I = was able to start the IDE with launching:<div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; = font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; font-family: Monaco; color: = rgb(16, 16, 16); background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0.85);" = class=3D""><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures" = class=3D"">SuperCollider.app/Contents/MacOS/SuperCollider</span></div><div= ><br class=3D""></div><div>=46rom Terminal.</div><div><br = class=3D""></div><div>Best,</div><div>Josh</div><div><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Oct = 1, 2020, at 11:24, <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" = class=3D"">Actually, I can't start the IDE... I can start the lang = itself though.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div = dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 11:22 AM Marcin = P=C4=85czkowski <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote= class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px = solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">FWIW = when I download the dev build I get the message "=E2=80=9CSuperCollider=E2= =80=9D is damaged and can=E2=80=99t be opened.". However, if I = navigate in the package contents, I can start SC. (I'm on = 10.13)<div class=3D"">I thought that the dev issue was due to in issue = with QT 5.15.1, but that's been fixed in <a = href=3D"https://github.com/supercollider/supercollider/pull/5178" = target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">https://github.com/supercollider/supercollider/pull/5178</a></d= iv><div class=3D"">Marcin</div></div><br class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct = 1, 2020 at 9:30 AM <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br = class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px = 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid = rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">Scott - <div = class=3D"">The developer build downloads as a Zero KB executable for me = - can you see if you see that as well?</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Josh</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" = class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Sep 30, 2020, at 05:26, <a = href=3D"mailto:scott-y6qSm6YX8/[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">scott-y6qSm6YX8/[email protected]</a> wrote:</div><br class=3D""><div = class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Current <a = href=3D"http://supercollider.s3.amazonaws.com/builds/supercollider/superco= llider/osx/develop-latest.html" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">develop = builds</a> work (apart from notarization issues) on the Big = Sur drop from a week or two ago.</div><div class=3D""><br = class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Big Sur support issues that I = forsee:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- = [critical] Supernova needs to switch it's realtime thread setup to use = audio workgroups rather than manually scheduling threads via the lower = level API's it's using now. This is likely a small engineering change, = but will require some pretty extensive testing ... and god forbid we = find a problem / performance regression.... Without this change, = Supernova may have some degraded performance, or may simply not = work.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- = [minor] Audio Units v2 support on Big Sur has seen some substantial = changes (all AU plugins are now run out-of-process, and the thread = calling semantics have changed significantly). SuperColliderAU will need = to be tested pretty extensively, and may need some changes - though we = may be in the clear since we're engine-only and don't implement any = proper UI.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">- = [cosmetic] We list QT >=3D 5.11 as a minimum requirement. No Big Sur = fixes will be backported to 5.11, so we'll have to bump to at least = 5.12. Big Sur backports *seem* to be a guaranteed part of 5.12 LTS, but = it's still worth testing 5.12 to see if it is, in fact, fully supporting = Big Sur.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Due = to some of the Audio Units changes, I predict that Big Sur will have a = VERY long tail of work required by audio apps in general. Even more than = usual, I think audio users will be staying on Catalina for a long = time - so very possibly SC could actually come out ahead of the curve = here.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div = class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep = 30, 2020 at 2:44 AM <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br = class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px = 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid = rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 8:28 AM = <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""> > It did - I sent to both.<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> That's good -- I saw only one (with [sc-dev] in the header) and<br = class=3D""> wondered about it.<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> hjh<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> _______________________________________________<br class=3D""> sc-dev mailing list<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> info (subscription, etc.): <a = href=3D"http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/superco= llider/mailinglist.aspx" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/supe= rcollider/mailinglist.aspx</a><br class=3D""> archive: <a href=3D"http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/</a><br = class=3D""> search: <a href=3D"http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/" = rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank" = class=3D"">http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/</a><br = class=3D""> </blockquote></div> </div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></div></blockquote></div> </blockquote></div> </div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_24D32E16-341E-42ED-998B-050A5E5EFA41-- _______________________________________________ sc-dev mailing list info (subscription, etc.): http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/facilities/ea-studios/research/supercollider/mailinglist.aspx archive: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/marchives/sc-dev/ search: http://www.listarc.bham.ac.uk/lists/sc-dev/search/