Re: AutoPortage

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Lemmit Kaplinski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Hongli Lai wrote:
>>
>> 2. I'm noticing that pretty much everybody these days *expects* that
>> software is installed through their native package managers. I have to
>> conclude that there is no problem as far as most existing Linux users are
>> concerned. The people who complain about installation on Linux are typically
>> not Linux users, and I don't think they'll come back even if we address
>> their complaints.
>
> Not entirely true. Being a long time Linux user and sysadmin, I have simply
> given up all hope of installing third party software. If it is not in
> (*)buntu repositories, I can very hardly bother to suffer the pains of
> installing it. Also third party installations can break things, distro
> upgrades break them and so on.

Only third party installations? Distro upgrades can break the distro
itself! I've heard from a number of sources how an automatic update
stuffed up NVidia drivers (even those installed through the
repository), network cards, even Firefox. This is on both Ubuntu and
Fedora.

A good third party installation (Java) actually survives distro
upgrades. Distros are so useless they actually can't survive
*themselves*!

> So all in all I have completely stopped customizing my desktop
> installations. I don't even change icons anymore, because the whole
> icon-theme wizardry is so complex, that all my changes tend to be
> overwritten anyways.
>
> This is a very sorry state. While in theory Linux is customizable and
> configurable according to my needs, in reality the distro (and associated
> policies and the general mindset) forces me to either take it or leave it AS
> IS.
>
> I'd switch in a heartbeat if there were alternatives. Go Haiku?

I've generally given up on Linux itself, it's Java and Wine I work on
and believe in.

LSB might be the political tool we need to leverage distros into
supporting binary compatible libraries and such - but it's too little
too late, and neither distros nor ISVs care or support it anyway.

> L.
>
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Damjan

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