Re: The NGbackup
Dev Team via Bacula-users <[email protected]> Tue, 7 Jul 2026 14:59:38 +0300
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--===============3708704362989760434== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="6a4cea2a_6dc45e83_4def" --6a4cea2a_6dc45e83_4def Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Heitor, NOBODY can/will run a backup on SAP which is not certified=21 You will lo= ose your support same moment. I think I know SAP and requirements well. S= AP have very hard requirements even how your setup for testing - staging = and production must look like. Your is based on what=3F active active, stand by, bow failover work. how = you get a quorum=3F I really would like to talk to a customer of you which is experience of y= our new development. Which if your customer use a Mainframe=3F Government= i know the responsible people in Brazil and I could ask them they know a= nything about NG backup. 0r maybe SERPO=3F All my contacts dont know anyt= hing about NGbackup > On Dienstag, Juli 07, 2026 at 2:11 PM, Heitor =46aria <heitorfaria=40gm= ail.com (mailto:heitorfaria=40gmail.com)> wrote: > Hello Reiner, > > Thanks for the detailed note. It's clear you read the material closely,= so let me answer point by point. > > PodHeitor vs NGBackup. You're conflating two different products (thanks= for being my fan). PodHeitor was built on Community Bacula and deprecate= d for the better stuff. NGBackup is a from-scratch engine: 1,000+ Rust so= urce files, zero C, memory-safe by construction. That's not a marketing a= djective. It's why the whole class of memory-corruption CVEs that legacy = engines keep publishing cannot occur here. So =22nothing has changed sinc= e PodHeitor=22 is simply wrong. Everything under the hood changed. > > =22Just repackaged community plugins.=22 Every NGBackup plugin is writt= en in one standard language, Rust, compiled and memory-safe. That is mate= rially more performant and more serious than the open-ended PowerShell/Py= thon/shell scripts that other suites rely on for their plugins. Uniform t= ooling, no interpreter sprawl, no per-plugin runtime surprises. That is o= riginal engineering, not copy-paste. > > High availability. This is real HA, not file copying. NGBackup runs an = active/standby Director pair with product-managed catalog and configurati= on replication. It supports automatic failover with witness quorum and a = split-brain guard, plus planned, unplanned, maintenance and test failover= modes, and failback with reverse sync. Calling that =22SCP/S=46TP somewh= ere=22 is not accurate. It is a designed control-plane HA architecture, a= nd it is exactly what enterprise backup HA is supposed to mean. > > Deduplication. There's nothing to misunderstand here. Any backup specia= list knows dedup ratios improve as more repetitive, retained backups accu= mulate. We state the industry-standard 20x, with some environments exceed= ing 60x at higher retention and redundancy. That's a range tied to retent= ion, reported exactly the way every dedup vendor reports one. Not a lab t= rick. Arithmetic. > > Where else we are ahead of Bacula Enterprise: > > A single control plane. Every daemon (Director, SD, =46D) is remotely r= econfigurable, reloadable and restartable from one place, including remot= e SD/=46D config edits with validation, atomic apply and rollback. Bacula= has none of this. > Config-as-data. Director configuration lives in the database as immutab= le, versioned revisions. No config-file sprawl across daemons and plugins= . > No clear-text passwords in files. Enrollment is token-based. Secrets ar= e sealed, never written in plaintext to a .conf. > Modern and vastly more complete Web and console interfaces. > Mainframe / SAP HANA. We have real customers running both in Brazil. Th= e ADABAS plugin ships today. z/OS binaries are being built. On SAP HANA s= pecifically, the absence of a formal certification badge doesn't mean the= capability can't be delivered. Certification is a commercial and partner= ship step, not a technical ceiling. We have customers on it. > Bloom filters and segment locality in Dedup for better performance. > > Pricing. Enterprise backup is quote-based across this market. Bacula En= terprise and the other vendors don't publish price lists either. Ours is = the same model, with a concrete migration discount for teams leaving Veea= m, Commvault or NetBackup. > > On the =22copy-paste=22 thesis generally. A single Rust control plane, = active/standby HA with automatic failover, config-as-data in the catalog,= tokenized enrollment with no plaintext secrets, and Rust-native plugins = are not things the community project offers. That is original design, and= it's shipping. > > I'll note, since it's relevant to the tone here, that you have a commer= cial relationship with Bacula Systems, and this critique arrives alongsid= e messages on LinkedIn that I'd characterize as threats. I'm glad to have= a technical debate on the merits. I'd rather keep it there. > > Best regards, > Heitor =46aria > NGBackup / NGStructures, LSG Global Group > On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 6:41=E2=80=AFAM Reiner Jung <r.jung=40mtier.org = (mailto:r.jung=40mtier.org)> wrote: > > Heitor, > > > > It looks as if the only real selling point of your solution is that i= t is written in Rust. Apart from that, if you take a closer look at what = you are trying to sell here, it is just marketing fluff. > > > > Let=E2=80=99s take ransomware detection as an example. It is more tha= n doubtful that what you are selling now is any different from what you a= lready tried to market some time ago as PodHeitor. It was ineffective and= pointless then, and nothing here suggests that has changed. > > > > Your claim of deduplication with a 60x factor is highly questionable.= I have no idea how you arrive at such numbers =E2=80=93 presumably under= idealized lab conditions with a carefully selected configuration that ha= s little to do with reality. > > > > You also write: > > > > =E2=80=9C=46rom the mainframe to Microsoft 365 in one place =E2=80=94= 21 database, virtualization and cloud plugins.=E2=80=9D > > > > I assume you do not have a mainframe at home, and it does not appear = on your actual plugin list either. This makes your marketing statement mi= sleading at best. As PodHeitor there was ever SAP HANA. You never can pro= vide this as you must be a partner and you are not. > > > > Your so=E2=80=91called =E2=80=9Chigh availability=E2=80=9D is no such= thing; at most it is a simple failover where you copy files somewhere el= se using SCP/S=46TP. Architecturally, this is just wrong and falls far sh= ort of what real HA means in enterprise backup. Is this really automatic = failure=3F Ask you AI, it is not. > > > > Your entire solution looks just as fragile as your previous offerings= that you kept promoting with bpipe and similar tools. > > > > There is also no transparent price list, just a vague promise to be 5= 0% cheaper than Veeam. Where are your actual prices=3F On your own site, = you instead advertise discounts of =E2=80=9C=E2=89=A5 50% off your curren= t Veeam / Commvault / NetBackup contract,=E2=80=9D which raises even more= questions about how realistic and sustainable your pricing is. > > > > Based on the documents you have published in the past, it is doubtful= that you even fully understood what your AI-generated material is saying= . > > > > Most of the features you list here are not innovations at all but a c= heap copy of what you have simply recompiled or repackaged from Bacula Co= mmunity, which already offers many plugins and advanced backup functions = in open source form. > > > > The more interesting question is how you and your development team in= tend to further develop Bacula Core itself, or whether you are once again= just waiting for the next community release so you can copy new features= into your product. > > > > Innovation does not come from copy and paste. It comes from original = design, real-world testing, and delivering value beyond what the communit= y has already built. > > > > > > > -- > Atenciosamente, > > Heitor faria (Miami) > https://ngbackup.com > WhatsApp: +1 786-726-1749 =7C +55 61 98268-4220 > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users=40lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users --6a4cea2a_6dc45e83_4def Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline <html xmlns=3D=22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml=22><head> <title></title> <= meta name=3D=22viewport=22 content=3D=22width=3Ddevice-width, initial-sca= le=3D1.0, user-scalable=3Dno=22> </head> <body style=3D=22font-family:Hel= vetica;color:=23000000;font-size:13px;=22><div id=3D=22CanaryBody=22 dir=3D= =22auto=22> <div> Heitor,</div><div><br></div><div>NOBODY can/will run a = backup on SAP which is not certified=21 You will loose your support same = moment. I think I know SAP and requirements well. SAP have very hard requ= irements even how your setup for testing - staging and production must lo= ok like.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Your is based on what=3F active a= ctive, stand by, bow failover work. how you get a quorum=3F=C2=A0</div><d= iv><br></div><div>I really would like to talk to a customer of you which = is experience of your new development. Which if your customer use a Mainf= rame=3F Government i know the responsible people in Brazil and I could as= k them they know anything about NG backup. 0r maybe SERPO=3F All my conta= cts dont know anything about NGbackup=C2=A0</div> <div><br></div> </div> = <div id=3D=22CanarySig=22> <div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> </div> <= /div> <div id=3D=22CanaryDropbox=22> </div> <blockquote id=3D=22CanaryBlo= ckquote=22> <div> <div>On Dienstag, Juli 07, 2026 at 2:11 PM, Heitor =46a= ria <<a href=3D=22mailto:heitorfaria=40gmail.com=22>heitorfaria=40gmai= l.com</a>> wrote:<br></div> <div><div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Hello Reiner,<br= ><br>Thanks for the detailed note. It's clear you read the material close= ly, so let me answer point by point.<br><br>PodHeitor vs NGBackup. You're= conflating two different products (thanks for being my fan). PodHeitor w= as built on Community Bacula and deprecated for the better stuff. NGBacku= p is a from-scratch engine: 1,000+ Rust source files, zero C, memory-safe= by construction. That's not a marketing adjective. It's why the whole cl= ass of memory-corruption CVEs that legacy engines keep publishing cannot = occur here. So =22nothing has changed since PodHeitor=22 is simply wrong.= Everything under the hood changed.<br><br>=22Just repackaged community p= lugins.=22 Every NGBackup plugin is written in one standard language, Rus= t, compiled and memory-safe. That is materially more performant and more = serious than the open-ended PowerShell/Python/shell scripts that other su= ites rely on for their plugins. Uniform tooling, no interpreter sprawl, n= o per-plugin runtime surprises. That is original engineering, not copy-pa= ste.<br><br>High availability. This is real HA, not file copying. NGBacku= p runs an active/standby Director pair with product-managed catalog and c= onfiguration replication. It supports automatic failover with witness quo= rum and a split-brain guard, plus planned, unplanned, maintenance and tes= t failover modes, and failback with reverse sync. Calling that =22SCP/S=46= TP somewhere=22 is not accurate. It is a designed control-plane HA archit= ecture, and it is exactly what enterprise backup HA is supposed to mean.<= br><br>Deduplication. There's nothing to misunderstand here. Any backup s= pecialist knows dedup ratios improve as more repetitive, retained backups= accumulate. We state the industry-standard 20x, with some environments e= xceeding 60x at higher retention and redundancy. That's a range tied to r= etention, reported exactly the way every dedup vendor reports one. Not a = lab trick. Arithmetic.<br><br>Where else we are ahead of Bacula Enterpris= e:<br><br>A single control plane. Every daemon (Director, SD, =46D) is re= motely reconfigurable, reloadable and restartable from one place, includi= ng remote SD/=46D config edits with validation, atomic apply and rollback= . Bacula has none of this.<br>Config-as-data. Director configuration live= s in the database as immutable, versioned revisions. No config-file spraw= l across daemons and plugins.<br>No clear-text passwords in files. Enroll= ment is token-based. Secrets are sealed, never written in plaintext to a = .conf.<br>Modern and vastly more complete Web and console interfaces.<br>= Mainframe / SAP HANA. We have real customers running both in Brazil. The = ADABAS plugin ships today. z/OS binaries are being built. On SAP HANA spe= cifically, the absence of a formal certification badge doesn't mean the c= apability can't be delivered. Certification is a commercial and partnersh= ip step, not a technical ceiling. We have customers on it.<br>Bloom filte= rs and segment locality in Dedup for better performance.<br><br>Pricing. = Enterprise backup is quote-based across this market. Bacula Enterprise an= d the other vendors don't publish price lists either. Ours is the same mo= del, with a concrete migration discount for teams leaving Veeam, Commvaul= t or NetBackup.<br><br>On the =22copy-paste=22 thesis generally. A single= Rust control plane, active/standby HA with automatic failover, config-as= -data in the catalog, tokenized enrollment with no plaintext secrets, and= Rust-native plugins are not things the community project offers. That is= original design, and it's shipping.<br><br>I'll note, since it's relevan= t to the tone here, that you have a commercial relationship with Bacula S= ystems, and this critique arrives alongside messages on LinkedIn that I'd= characterize as threats. I'm glad to have a technical debate on the meri= ts. I'd rather keep it there.<br><br>Best regards,<br>Heitor =46aria<br>N= GBackup / NGStructures, LSG Global Group</div><br><div class=3D=22gmail=5F= quote gmail=5Fquote=5Fcontainer=22><div dir=3D=22ltr=22 class=3D=22gmail=5F= attr=22>On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 6:41=E2=80=AFAM Reiner Jung <<a href=3D= =22mailto:r.jung=40mtier.org=22>r.jung=40mtier.org</a>> wrote:<br></di= v><blockquote class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22 style=3D=22margin:0px 0px 0px 0= .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=22> <div sty= le=3D=22font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px=22> <div id= =3D=22m=5F3514217287192629826=22 dir=3D=22auto=22> <div>Heitor,<br><div><= br></div><div>It looks as if the only real selling point of your solution= is that it is written in Rust. Apart from that, if you take a closer loo= k at what you are trying to sell here, it is just marketing fluff.</div><= div><br></div><div>Let=E2=80=99s take ransomware detection as an example.= It is more than doubtful that what you are selling now is any different = from what you already tried to market some time ago as PodHeitor. It was = ineffective and pointless then, and nothing here suggests that has change= d.</div><div><br></div><div>Your claim of deduplication with a 60x factor= is highly questionable. I have no idea how you arrive at such numbers =E2= =80=93 presumably under idealized lab conditions with a carefully selecte= d configuration that has little to do with reality.</div><div><br></div><= div>You also write:</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=9C=46rom the mainfram= e to Microsoft 365 in one place =E2=80=94 21 database, virtualization and= cloud plugins.=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></div><div>I assume you do not hav= e a mainframe at home, and it does not appear on your actual plugin list = either. This makes your marketing statement misleading at best. As PodHei= tor there was ever SAP HANA. You never can provide this as you must be a = partner and you are not.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Your so=E2=80=91c= alled =E2=80=9Chigh availability=E2=80=9D is no such thing; at most it is= a simple failover where you copy files somewhere else using SCP/S=46TP. = Architecturally, this is just wrong and falls far short of what real HA m= eans in enterprise backup. Is this really automatic failure=3F Ask you AI= , it is not.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Your entire solution looks ju= st as fragile as your previous offerings that you kept promoting with bpi= pe and similar tools.</div><div><br></div><div>There is also no transpare= nt price list, just a vague promise to be 50% cheaper than Veeam. Where a= re your actual prices=3F On your own site, you instead advertise discount= s of =E2=80=9C=E2=89=A5 50% off your current Veeam / Commvault / NetBacku= p contract,=E2=80=9D which raises even more questions about how realistic= and sustainable your pricing is.</div><div><br></div><div>Based on the d= ocuments you have published in the past, it is doubtful that you even ful= ly understood what your AI-generated material is saying.</div><div><br></= div><div>Most of the features you list here are not innovations at all bu= t a cheap copy of what you have simply recompiled or repackaged from Bacu= la Community, which already offers many plugins and advanced backup funct= ions in open source form.</div><div><br></div><div>The more interesting q= uestion is how you and your development team intend to further develop Ba= cula Core itself, or whether you are once again just waiting for the next= community release so you can copy new features into your product.</div><= div><br></div><div>Innovation does not come from copy and paste. It comes= from original design, real-world testing, and delivering value beyond wh= at the community has already built.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div> <= /div> </div> <div id=3D=22m=5F3514217287192629826CanaryDropbox=22> </div>= </div></blockquote></div><div><br clear=3D=22all=22></div><div><br></div= ><span class=3D=22gmail=5Fsignature=5Fprefix=22>-- </span><br><div dir=3D= =22ltr=22 class=3D=22gmail=5Fsignature=22><div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Atenciosam= ente,<br><br>Heitor faria (Miami)<br><a href=3D=22https://ngbackup.com=22= target=3D=22=5Fblank=22>https://ngbackup.com</a><div>WhatsApp: +1 786-72= 6-1749 =7C=C2=A0+55 61 98268-4220<br></div></div></div> =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F <br>Bacula-users mailing= list <br>Bacula-users=40lists.sourceforge.net <br>https://lists.sourcefo= rge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users <br></div> </div> </blockquote> </bod= y></html> --6a4cea2a_6dc45e83_4def-- --===============3708704362989760434== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --===============3708704362989760434== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Bacula-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users --===============3708704362989760434==--