Re: The NGbackup

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Heitor,

NOBODY can/will run a backup on SAP which is not certified=21 You will lo=
ose your support same moment. I think I know SAP and requirements well. S=
AP have very hard requirements even how your setup for testing - staging =
and production must look like.

Your is based on what=3F active active, stand by, bow failover work. how =
you get a quorum=3F

I really would like to talk to a customer of you which is experience of y=
our new development. Which if your customer use a Mainframe=3F Government=
 i know the responsible people in Brazil and I could ask them they know a=
nything about NG backup. 0r maybe SERPO=3F All my contacts dont know anyt=
hing about NGbackup

> On Dienstag, Juli 07, 2026 at 2:11 PM, Heitor =46aria <heitorfaria=40gm=
ail.com (mailto:heitorfaria=40gmail.com)> wrote:
> Hello Reiner,
>
> Thanks for the detailed note. It's clear you read the material closely,=
 so let me answer point by point.
>
> PodHeitor vs NGBackup. You're conflating two different products (thanks=
 for being my fan). PodHeitor was built on Community Bacula and deprecate=
d for the better stuff. NGBackup is a from-scratch engine: 1,000+ Rust so=
urce files, zero C, memory-safe by construction. That's not a marketing a=
djective. It's why the whole class of memory-corruption CVEs that legacy =
engines keep publishing cannot occur here. So =22nothing has changed sinc=
e PodHeitor=22 is simply wrong. Everything under the hood changed.
>
> =22Just repackaged community plugins.=22 Every NGBackup plugin is writt=
en in one standard language, Rust, compiled and memory-safe. That is mate=
rially more performant and more serious than the open-ended PowerShell/Py=
thon/shell scripts that other suites rely on for their plugins. Uniform t=
ooling, no interpreter sprawl, no per-plugin runtime surprises. That is o=
riginal engineering, not copy-paste.
>
> High availability. This is real HA, not file copying. NGBackup runs an =
active/standby Director pair with product-managed catalog and configurati=
on replication. It supports automatic failover with witness quorum and a =
split-brain guard, plus planned, unplanned, maintenance and test failover=
 modes, and failback with reverse sync. Calling that =22SCP/S=46TP somewh=
ere=22 is not accurate. It is a designed control-plane HA architecture, a=
nd it is exactly what enterprise backup HA is supposed to mean.
>
> Deduplication. There's nothing to misunderstand here. Any backup specia=
list knows dedup ratios improve as more repetitive, retained backups accu=
mulate. We state the industry-standard 20x, with some environments exceed=
ing 60x at higher retention and redundancy. That's a range tied to retent=
ion, reported exactly the way every dedup vendor reports one. Not a lab t=
rick. Arithmetic.
>
> Where else we are ahead of Bacula Enterprise:
>
> A single control plane. Every daemon (Director, SD, =46D) is remotely r=
econfigurable, reloadable and restartable from one place, including remot=
e SD/=46D config edits with validation, atomic apply and rollback. Bacula=
 has none of this.
> Config-as-data. Director configuration lives in the database as immutab=
le, versioned revisions. No config-file sprawl across daemons and plugins=
.
> No clear-text passwords in files. Enrollment is token-based. Secrets ar=
e sealed, never written in plaintext to a .conf.
> Modern and vastly more complete Web and console interfaces.
> Mainframe / SAP HANA. We have real customers running both in Brazil. Th=
e ADABAS plugin ships today. z/OS binaries are being built. On SAP HANA s=
pecifically, the absence of a formal certification badge doesn't mean the=
 capability can't be delivered. Certification is a commercial and partner=
ship step, not a technical ceiling. We have customers on it.
> Bloom filters and segment locality in Dedup for better performance.
>
> Pricing. Enterprise backup is quote-based across this market. Bacula En=
terprise and the other vendors don't publish price lists either. Ours is =
the same model, with a concrete migration discount for teams leaving Veea=
m, Commvault or NetBackup.
>
> On the =22copy-paste=22 thesis generally. A single Rust control plane, =
active/standby HA with automatic failover, config-as-data in the catalog,=
 tokenized enrollment with no plaintext secrets, and Rust-native plugins =
are not things the community project offers. That is original design, and=
 it's shipping.
>
> I'll note, since it's relevant to the tone here, that you have a commer=
cial relationship with Bacula Systems, and this critique arrives alongsid=
e messages on LinkedIn that I'd characterize as threats. I'm glad to have=
 a technical debate on the merits. I'd rather keep it there.
>
> Best regards,
> Heitor =46aria
> NGBackup / NGStructures, LSG Global Group
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 6:41=E2=80=AFAM Reiner Jung <r.jung=40mtier.org =
(mailto:r.jung=40mtier.org)> wrote:
> > Heitor,
> >
> > It looks as if the only real selling point of your solution is that i=
t is written in Rust. Apart from that, if you take a closer look at what =
you are trying to sell here, it is just marketing fluff.
> >
> > Let=E2=80=99s take ransomware detection as an example. It is more tha=
n doubtful that what you are selling now is any different from what you a=
lready tried to market some time ago as PodHeitor. It was ineffective and=
 pointless then, and nothing here suggests that has changed.
> >
> > Your claim of deduplication with a 60x factor is highly questionable.=
 I have no idea how you arrive at such numbers =E2=80=93 presumably under=
 idealized lab conditions with a carefully selected configuration that ha=
s little to do with reality.
> >
> > You also write:
> >
> > =E2=80=9C=46rom the mainframe to Microsoft 365 in one place =E2=80=94=
 21 database, virtualization and cloud plugins.=E2=80=9D
> >
> > I assume you do not have a mainframe at home, and it does not appear =
on your actual plugin list either. This makes your marketing statement mi=
sleading at best. As PodHeitor there was ever SAP HANA. You never can pro=
vide this as you must be a partner and you are not.
> >
> > Your so=E2=80=91called =E2=80=9Chigh availability=E2=80=9D is no such=
 thing; at most it is a simple failover where you copy files somewhere el=
se using SCP/S=46TP. Architecturally, this is just wrong and falls far sh=
ort of what real HA means in enterprise backup. Is this really automatic =
failure=3F Ask you AI, it is not.
> >
> > Your entire solution looks just as fragile as your previous offerings=
 that you kept promoting with bpipe and similar tools.
> >
> > There is also no transparent price list, just a vague promise to be 5=
0% cheaper than Veeam. Where are your actual prices=3F On your own site, =
you instead advertise discounts of =E2=80=9C=E2=89=A5 50% off your curren=
t Veeam / Commvault / NetBackup contract,=E2=80=9D which raises even more=
 questions about how realistic and sustainable your pricing is.
> >
> > Based on the documents you have published in the past, it is doubtful=
 that you even fully understood what your AI-generated material is saying=
.
> >
> > Most of the features you list here are not innovations at all but a c=
heap copy of what you have simply recompiled or repackaged from Bacula Co=
mmunity, which already offers many plugins and advanced backup functions =
in open source form.
> >
> > The more interesting question is how you and your development team in=
tend to further develop Bacula Core itself, or whether you are once again=
 just waiting for the next community release so you can copy new features=
 into your product.
> >
> > Innovation does not come from copy and paste. It comes from original =
design, real-world testing, and delivering value beyond what the communit=
y has already built.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Atenciosamente,
>
> Heitor faria (Miami)
> https://ngbackup.com
> WhatsApp: +1 786-726-1749 =7C +55 61 98268-4220
> =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F
> Bacula-users mailing list
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> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users

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vetica;color:=23000000;font-size:13px;=22><div id=3D=22CanaryBody=22 dir=3D=
=22auto=22> <div> Heitor,</div><div><br></div><div>NOBODY can/will run a =
backup on SAP which is not certified=21 You will loose your support same =
moment. I think I know SAP and requirements well. SAP have very hard requ=
irements even how your setup for testing - staging and production must lo=
ok like.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Your is based on what=3F active a=
ctive, stand by, bow failover work. how you get a quorum=3F=C2=A0</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>I really would like to talk to a customer of you which =
is experience of your new development. Which if your customer use a Mainf=
rame=3F Government i know the responsible people in Brazil and I could as=
k them they know anything about NG backup. 0r maybe SERPO=3F All my conta=
cts dont know anything about NGbackup=C2=A0</div> <div><br></div> </div> =
<div id=3D=22CanarySig=22> <div> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> </div> <=
/div> <div id=3D=22CanaryDropbox=22> </div> <blockquote id=3D=22CanaryBlo=
ckquote=22> <div> <div>On Dienstag, Juli 07, 2026 at 2:11 PM, Heitor =46a=
ria &lt;<a href=3D=22mailto:heitorfaria=40gmail.com=22>heitorfaria=40gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div> <div><div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Hello Reiner,<br=
><br>Thanks for the detailed note. It's clear you read the material close=
ly, so let me answer point by point.<br><br>PodHeitor vs NGBackup. You're=
 conflating two different products (thanks for being my fan). PodHeitor w=
as built on Community Bacula and deprecated for the better stuff. NGBacku=
p is a from-scratch engine: 1,000+ Rust source files, zero C, memory-safe=
 by construction. That's not a marketing adjective. It's why the whole cl=
ass of memory-corruption CVEs that legacy engines keep publishing cannot =
occur here. So =22nothing has changed since PodHeitor=22 is simply wrong.=
 Everything under the hood changed.<br><br>=22Just repackaged community p=
lugins.=22 Every NGBackup plugin is written in one standard language, Rus=
t, compiled and memory-safe. That is materially more performant and more =
serious than the open-ended PowerShell/Python/shell scripts that other su=
ites rely on for their plugins. Uniform tooling, no interpreter sprawl, n=
o per-plugin runtime surprises. That is original engineering, not copy-pa=
ste.<br><br>High availability. This is real HA, not file copying. NGBacku=
p runs an active/standby Director pair with product-managed catalog and c=
onfiguration replication. It supports automatic failover with witness quo=
rum and a split-brain guard, plus planned, unplanned, maintenance and tes=
t failover modes, and failback with reverse sync. Calling that =22SCP/S=46=
TP somewhere=22 is not accurate. It is a designed control-plane HA archit=
ecture, and it is exactly what enterprise backup HA is supposed to mean.<=
br><br>Deduplication. There's nothing to misunderstand here. Any backup s=
pecialist knows dedup ratios improve as more repetitive, retained backups=
 accumulate. We state the industry-standard 20x, with some environments e=
xceeding 60x at higher retention and redundancy. That's a range tied to r=
etention, reported exactly the way every dedup vendor reports one. Not a =
lab trick. Arithmetic.<br><br>Where else we are ahead of Bacula Enterpris=
e:<br><br>A single control plane. Every daemon (Director, SD, =46D) is re=
motely reconfigurable, reloadable and restartable from one place, includi=
ng remote SD/=46D config edits with validation, atomic apply and rollback=
. Bacula has none of this.<br>Config-as-data. Director configuration live=
s in the database as immutable, versioned revisions. No config-file spraw=
l across daemons and plugins.<br>No clear-text passwords in files. Enroll=
ment is token-based. Secrets are sealed, never written in plaintext to a =
.conf.<br>Modern and vastly more complete Web and console interfaces.<br>=
Mainframe / SAP HANA. We have real customers running both in Brazil. The =
ADABAS plugin ships today. z/OS binaries are being built. On SAP HANA spe=
cifically, the absence of a formal certification badge doesn't mean the c=
apability can't be delivered. Certification is a commercial and partnersh=
ip step, not a technical ceiling. We have customers on it.<br>Bloom filte=
rs and segment locality in Dedup for better performance.<br><br>Pricing. =
Enterprise backup is quote-based across this market. Bacula Enterprise an=
d the other vendors don't publish price lists either. Ours is the same mo=
del, with a concrete migration discount for teams leaving Veeam, Commvaul=
t or NetBackup.<br><br>On the =22copy-paste=22 thesis generally. A single=
 Rust control plane, active/standby HA with automatic failover, config-as=
-data in the catalog, tokenized enrollment with no plaintext secrets, and=
 Rust-native plugins are not things the community project offers. That is=
 original design, and it's shipping.<br><br>I'll note, since it's relevan=
t to the tone here, that you have a commercial relationship with Bacula S=
ystems, and this critique arrives alongside messages on LinkedIn that I'd=
 characterize as threats. I'm glad to have a technical debate on the meri=
ts. I'd rather keep it there.<br><br>Best regards,<br>Heitor =46aria<br>N=
GBackup / NGStructures, LSG Global Group</div><br><div class=3D=22gmail=5F=
quote gmail=5Fquote=5Fcontainer=22><div dir=3D=22ltr=22 class=3D=22gmail=5F=
attr=22>On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 6:41=E2=80=AFAM Reiner Jung &lt;<a href=3D=
=22mailto:r.jung=40mtier.org=22>r.jung=40mtier.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22 style=3D=22margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=22> <div sty=
le=3D=22font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px=22> <div id=
=3D=22m=5F3514217287192629826=22 dir=3D=22auto=22> <div>Heitor,<br><div><=
br></div><div>It looks as if the only real selling point of your solution=
 is that it is written in Rust. Apart from that, if you take a closer loo=
k at what you are trying to sell here, it is just marketing fluff.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Let=E2=80=99s take ransomware detection as an example.=
 It is more than doubtful that what you are selling now is any different =
from what you already tried to market some time ago as PodHeitor. It was =
ineffective and pointless then, and nothing here suggests that has change=
d.</div><div><br></div><div>Your claim of deduplication with a 60x factor=
 is highly questionable. I have no idea how you arrive at such numbers =E2=
=80=93 presumably under idealized lab conditions with a carefully selecte=
d configuration that has little to do with reality.</div><div><br></div><=
div>You also write:</div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=9C=46rom the mainfram=
e to Microsoft 365 in one place =E2=80=94 21 database, virtualization and=
 cloud plugins.=E2=80=9D</div><div><br></div><div>I assume you do not hav=
e a mainframe at home, and it does not appear on your actual plugin list =
either. This makes your marketing statement misleading at best. As PodHei=
tor there was ever SAP HANA. You never can provide this as you must be a =
partner and you are not.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Your so=E2=80=91c=
alled =E2=80=9Chigh availability=E2=80=9D is no such thing; at most it is=
 a simple failover where you copy files somewhere else using SCP/S=46TP. =
Architecturally, this is just wrong and falls far short of what real HA m=
eans in enterprise backup. Is this really automatic failure=3F Ask you AI=
, it is not.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Your entire solution looks ju=
st as fragile as your previous offerings that you kept promoting with bpi=
pe and similar tools.</div><div><br></div><div>There is also no transpare=
nt price list, just a vague promise to be 50% cheaper than Veeam. Where a=
re your actual prices=3F On your own site, you instead advertise discount=
s of =E2=80=9C=E2=89=A5 50% off your current Veeam / Commvault / NetBacku=
p contract,=E2=80=9D which raises even more questions about how realistic=
 and sustainable your pricing is.</div><div><br></div><div>Based on the d=
ocuments you have published in the past, it is doubtful that you even ful=
ly understood what your AI-generated material is saying.</div><div><br></=
div><div>Most of the features you list here are not innovations at all bu=
t a cheap copy of what you have simply recompiled or repackaged from Bacu=
la Community, which already offers many plugins and advanced backup funct=
ions in open source form.</div><div><br></div><div>The more interesting q=
uestion is how you and your development team intend to further develop Ba=
cula Core itself, or whether you are once again just waiting for the next=
 community release so you can copy new features into your product.</div><=
div><br></div><div>Innovation does not come from copy and paste. It comes=
 from original design, real-world testing, and delivering value beyond wh=
at the community has already built.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div> <=
/div> </div> <div id=3D=22m=5F3514217287192629826CanaryDropbox=22> </div>=
 </div></blockquote></div><div><br clear=3D=22all=22></div><div><br></div=
><span class=3D=22gmail=5Fsignature=5Fprefix=22>-- </span><br><div dir=3D=
=22ltr=22 class=3D=22gmail=5Fsignature=22><div dir=3D=22ltr=22>Atenciosam=
ente,<br><br>Heitor faria (Miami)<br><a href=3D=22https://ngbackup.com=22=
 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22>https://ngbackup.com</a><div>WhatsApp: +1 786-72=
6-1749 =7C=C2=A0+55 61 98268-4220<br></div></div></div> =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F <br>Bacula-users mailing=
 list <br>Bacula-users=40lists.sourceforge.net <br>https://lists.sourcefo=
rge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users <br></div> </div> </blockquote> </bod=
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