Re: The NGbackup
Heitor Faria <[email protected]> Tue, 7 Jul 2026 08:10:12 -0400
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--===============3302491690845516637== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008fd059065604463c" --0000000000008fd059065604463c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello List, NGBackup is happy to demonstrate any feature live to genuinely interested customers. Reach out and we'll set up a session. Rgds. On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 8:00=E2=80=AFAM Dev Team <[email protected]> wro= te: > Heitor, > > NOBODY can/will run a backup on SAP which is not certified! You will loos= e > your support same moment. I think I know SAP and requirements well. SAP > have very hard requirements even how your setup for testing - staging and > production must look like. > > Your is based on what? active active, stand by, bow failover work. how yo= u > get a quorum? > > I really would like to talk to a customer of you which is experience of > your new development. Which if your customer use a Mainframe? Government = i > know the responsible people in Brazil and I could ask them they know > anything about NG backup. 0r maybe SERPO? All my contacts dont know > anything about NGbackup > > > > On Dienstag, Juli 07, 2026 at 2:11 PM, Heitor Faria <[email protected]= m> > wrote: > Hello Reiner, > > Thanks for the detailed note. It's clear you read the material closely, s= o > let me answer point by point. > > PodHeitor vs NGBackup. You're conflating two different products (thanks > for being my fan). PodHeitor was built on Community Bacula and deprecated > for the better stuff. NGBackup is a from-scratch engine: 1,000+ Rust sour= ce > files, zero C, memory-safe by construction. That's not a marketing > adjective. It's why the whole class of memory-corruption CVEs that legacy > engines keep publishing cannot occur here. So "nothing has changed since > PodHeitor" is simply wrong. Everything under the hood changed. > > "Just repackaged community plugins." Every NGBackup plugin is written in > one standard language, Rust, compiled and memory-safe. That is materially > more performant and more serious than the open-ended > PowerShell/Python/shell scripts that other suites rely on for their > plugins. Uniform tooling, no interpreter sprawl, no per-plugin runtime > surprises. That is original engineering, not copy-paste. > > High availability. This is real HA, not file copying. NGBackup runs an > active/standby Director pair with product-managed catalog and configurati= on > replication. It supports automatic failover with witness quorum and a > split-brain guard, plus planned, unplanned, maintenance and test failover > modes, and failback with reverse sync. Calling that "SCP/SFTP somewhere" = is > not accurate. It is a designed control-plane HA architecture, and it is > exactly what enterprise backup HA is supposed to mean. > > Deduplication. There's nothing to misunderstand here. Any backup > specialist knows dedup ratios improve as more repetitive, retained backup= s > accumulate. We state the industry-standard 20x, with some environments > exceeding 60x at higher retention and redundancy. That's a range tied to > retention, reported exactly the way every dedup vendor reports one. Not a > lab trick. Arithmetic. > > Where else we are ahead of Bacula Enterprise: > > A single control plane. Every daemon (Director, SD, FD) is remotely > reconfigurable, reloadable and restartable from one place, including remo= te > SD/FD config edits with validation, atomic apply and rollback. Bacula has > none of this. > Config-as-data. Director configuration lives in the database as immutable= , > versioned revisions. No config-file sprawl across daemons and plugins. > No clear-text passwords in files. Enrollment is token-based. Secrets are > sealed, never written in plaintext to a .conf. > Modern and vastly more complete Web and console interfaces. > Mainframe / SAP HANA. We have real customers running both in Brazil. The > ADABAS plugin ships today. z/OS binaries are being built. On SAP HANA > specifically, the absence of a formal certification badge doesn't mean th= e > capability can't be delivered. Certification is a commercial and > partnership step, not a technical ceiling. We have customers on it. > Bloom filters and segment locality in Dedup for better performance. > > Pricing. Enterprise backup is quote-based across this market. Bacula > Enterprise and the other vendors don't publish price lists either. Ours i= s > the same model, with a concrete migration discount for teams leaving Veea= m, > Commvault or NetBackup. > > On the "copy-paste" thesis generally. A single Rust control plane, > active/standby HA with automatic failover, config-as-data in the catalog, > tokenized enrollment with no plaintext secrets, and Rust-native plugins a= re > not things the community project offers. That is original design, and it'= s > shipping. > > I'll note, since it's relevant to the tone here, that you have a > commercial relationship with Bacula Systems, and this critique arrives > alongside messages on LinkedIn that I'd characterize as threats. I'm glad > to have a technical debate on the merits. I'd rather keep it there. > > Best regards, > Heitor Faria > NGBackup / NGStructures, LSG Global Group > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 6:41=E2=80=AFAM Reiner Jung <[email protected]> wro= te: > >> Heitor, >> >> It looks as if the only real selling point of your solution is that it i= s >> written in Rust. Apart from that, if you take a closer look at what you = are >> trying to sell here, it is just marketing fluff. >> >> Let=E2=80=99s take ransomware detection as an example. It is more than d= oubtful >> that what you are selling now is any different from what you already tri= ed >> to market some time ago as PodHeitor. It was ineffective and pointless >> then, and nothing here suggests that has changed. >> >> Your claim of deduplication with a 60x factor is highly questionable. I >> have no idea how you arrive at such numbers =E2=80=93 presumably under i= dealized >> lab conditions with a carefully selected configuration that has little t= o >> do with reality. >> >> You also write: >> >> =E2=80=9CFrom the mainframe to Microsoft 365 in one place =E2=80=94 21 d= atabase, >> virtualization and cloud plugins.=E2=80=9D >> >> I assume you do not have a mainframe at home, and it does not appear on >> your actual plugin list either. This makes your marketing statement >> misleading at best. As PodHeitor there was ever SAP HANA. You never can >> provide this as you must be a partner and you are not. >> >> Your so=E2=80=91called =E2=80=9Chigh availability=E2=80=9D is no such th= ing; at most it is a >> simple failover where you copy files somewhere else using SCP/SFTP. >> Architecturally, this is just wrong and falls far short of what real HA >> means in enterprise backup. Is this really automatic failure? Ask you AI= , >> it is not. >> >> Your entire solution looks just as fragile as your previous offerings >> that you kept promoting with bpipe and similar tools. >> >> There is also no transparent price list, just a vague promise to be 50% >> cheaper than Veeam. Where are your actual prices? On your own site, you >> instead advertise discounts of =E2=80=9C=E2=89=A5 50% off your current V= eeam / Commvault / >> NetBackup contract,=E2=80=9D which raises even more questions about how = realistic >> and sustainable your pricing is. >> >> Based on the documents you have published in the past, it is doubtful >> that you even fully understood what your AI-generated material is saying= . >> >> Most of the features you list here are not innovations at all but a chea= p >> copy of what you have simply recompiled or repackaged from Bacula >> Community, which already offers many plugins and advanced backup functio= ns >> in open source form. >> >> The more interesting question is how you and your development team inten= d >> to further develop Bacula Core itself, or whether you are once again jus= t >> waiting for the next community release so you can copy new features into >> your product. >> >> Innovation does not come from copy and paste. It comes from original >> design, real-world testing, and delivering value beyond what the communi= ty >> has already built. >> >> >> > > -- > Atenciosamente, > > Heitor faria (Miami) > https://ngbackup.com > WhatsApp: +1 786-726-1749 | +55 61 98268-4220 > _______________________________________________ > Bacula-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users > > --=20 Atenciosamente, Heitor faria (Miami) https://ngbackup.com WhatsApp: +1 786-726-1749 | +55 61 98268-4220 --0000000000008fd059065604463c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">Hello List,<br><br>NGBackup is happy to demonstrate any fe= ature live to genuinely interested customers. Reach out and we'll set u= p a session.<br><br>Rgds.<br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quot= e_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 8= :00=E2=80=AFAM Dev Team <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">dev-te= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s= tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad= ding-left:1ex"> <div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(0,0,0);fon= t-size:13px"><div id=3D"m_-7289606999999779334CanaryBody" dir=3D"auto"> <di= v> Heitor,</div><div><br></div><div>NOBODY can/will run a backup on SAP whi= ch is not certified! You will loose your support same moment. I think I kno= w SAP and requirements well. SAP have very hard requirements even how your = setup for testing - staging and production must look like.=C2=A0</div><div>= <br></div><div>Your is based on what? active active, stand by, bow failover= work. how you get a quorum?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>I really would = like to talk to a customer of you which is experience of your new developme= nt. Which if your customer use a Mainframe? Government i know the responsib= le people in Brazil and I could ask them they know anything about NG backup= . 0r maybe SERPO? All my contacts dont know anything about NGbackup=C2=A0</= div> <div><br></div> </div> <div id=3D"m_-7289606999999779334CanarySig"> <d= iv> <div><br></div> <div><br></div> </div> </div> <div id=3D"m_-72896069999= 99779334CanaryDropbox"> </div> <blockquote id=3D"m_-7289606999999779334Cana= ryBlockquote"> <div> <div>On Dienstag, Juli 07, 2026 at 2:11 PM, Heitor Far= ia <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">heitorfar= [email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div> <div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hello Reiner,<b= r><br>Thanks for the detailed note. It's clear you read the material cl= osely, so let me answer point by point.<br><br>PodHeitor vs NGBackup. You&#= 39;re conflating two different products (thanks for being my fan). PodHeito= r was built on Community Bacula and deprecated for the better stuff. NGBack= up is a from-scratch engine: 1,000+ Rust source files, zero C, memory-safe = by construction. That's not a marketing adjective. It's why the who= le class of memory-corruption CVEs that legacy engines keep publishing cann= ot occur here. So "nothing has changed since PodHeitor" is simply= wrong. Everything under the hood changed.<br><br>"Just repackaged com= munity plugins." Every NGBackup plugin is written in one standard lang= uage, Rust, compiled and memory-safe. That is materially more performant an= d more serious than the open-ended PowerShell/Python/shell scripts that oth= er suites rely on for their plugins. Uniform tooling, no interpreter sprawl= , no per-plugin runtime surprises. That is original engineering, not copy-p= aste.<br><br>High availability. This is real HA, not file copying. NGBackup= runs an active/standby Director pair with product-managed catalog and conf= iguration replication. It supports automatic failover with witness quorum a= nd a split-brain guard, plus planned, unplanned, maintenance and test failo= ver modes, and failback with reverse sync. Calling that "SCP/SFTP some= where" is not accurate. It is a designed control-plane HA architecture= , and it is exactly what enterprise backup HA is supposed to mean.<br><br>D= eduplication. There's nothing to misunderstand here. Any backup special= ist knows dedup ratios improve as more repetitive, retained backups accumul= ate. We state the industry-standard 20x, with some environments exceeding 6= 0x at higher retention and redundancy. That's a range tied to retention= , reported exactly the way every dedup vendor reports one. Not a lab trick.= Arithmetic.<br><br>Where else we are ahead of Bacula Enterprise:<br><br>A = single control plane. Every daemon (Director, SD, FD) is remotely reconfigu= rable, reloadable and restartable from one place, including remote SD/FD co= nfig edits with validation, atomic apply and rollback. Bacula has none of t= his.<br>Config-as-data. Director configuration lives in the database as imm= utable, versioned revisions. No config-file sprawl across daemons and plugi= ns.<br>No clear-text passwords in files. Enrollment is token-based. Secrets= are sealed, never written in plaintext to a .conf.<br>Modern and vastly mo= re complete Web and console interfaces.<br>Mainframe / SAP HANA. We have re= al customers running both in Brazil. The ADABAS plugin ships today. z/OS bi= naries are being built. On SAP HANA specifically, the absence of a formal c= ertification badge doesn't mean the capability can't be delivered. = Certification is a commercial and partnership step, not a technical ceiling= . We have customers on it.<br>Bloom filters and segment locality in Dedup f= or better performance.<br><br>Pricing. Enterprise backup is quote-based acr= oss this market. Bacula Enterprise and the other vendors don't publish = price lists either. Ours is the same model, with a concrete migration disco= unt for teams leaving Veeam, Commvault or NetBackup.<br><br>On the "co= py-paste" thesis generally. A single Rust control plane, active/standb= y HA with automatic failover, config-as-data in the catalog, tokenized enro= llment with no plaintext secrets, and Rust-native plugins are not things th= e community project offers. That is original design, and it's shipping.= <br><br>I'll note, since it's relevant to the tone here, that you h= ave a commercial relationship with Bacula Systems, and this critique arrive= s alongside messages on LinkedIn that I'd characterize as threats. I= 9;m glad to have a technical debate on the merits. I'd rather keep it t= here.<br><br>Best regards,<br>Heitor Faria<br>NGBackup / NGStructures, LSG = Global Group</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"= gmail_attr">On Tue, Jul 7, 2026 at 6:41=E2=80=AFAM Reiner Jung <<a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wro= te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px = 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> <div style= =3D"font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px"> <div id=3D"m_-7= 289606999999779334m_3514217287192629826" dir=3D"auto"> <div>Heitor,<br><div= ><br></div><div>It looks as if the only real selling point of your solution= is that it is written in Rust. Apart from that, if you take a closer look = at what you are trying to sell here, it is just marketing fluff.</div><div>= <br></div><div>Let=E2=80=99s take ransomware detection as an example. It is= more than doubtful that what you are selling now is any different from wha= t you already tried to market some time ago as PodHeitor. It was ineffectiv= e and pointless then, and nothing here suggests that has changed.</div><div= ><br></div><div>Your claim of deduplication with a 60x factor is highly que= stionable. I have no idea how you arrive at such numbers =E2=80=93 presumab= ly under idealized lab conditions with a carefully selected configuration t= hat has little to do with reality.</div><div><br></div><div>You also write:= </div><div><br></div><div>=E2=80=9CFrom the mainframe to Microsoft 365 in o= ne place =E2=80=94 21 database, virtualization and cloud plugins.=E2=80=9D<= /div><div><br></div><div>I assume you do not have a mainframe at home, and = it does not appear on your actual plugin list either. This makes your marke= ting statement misleading at best. As PodHeitor there was ever SAP HANA. Yo= u never can provide this as you must be a partner and you are not.=C2=A0</d= iv><div><br></div><div>Your so=E2=80=91called =E2=80=9Chigh availability=E2= =80=9D is no such thing; at most it is a simple failover where you copy fil= es somewhere else using SCP/SFTP. Architecturally, this is just wrong and f= alls far short of what real HA means in enterprise backup. Is this really a= utomatic failure? Ask you AI, it is not.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>You= r entire solution looks just as fragile as your previous offerings that you= kept promoting with bpipe and similar tools.</div><div><br></div><div>Ther= e is also no transparent price list, just a vague promise to be 50% cheaper= than Veeam. Where are your actual prices? On your own site, you instead ad= vertise discounts of =E2=80=9C=E2=89=A5 50% off your current Veeam / Commva= ult / NetBackup contract,=E2=80=9D which raises even more questions about h= ow realistic and sustainable your pricing is.</div><div><br></div><div>Base= d on the documents you have published in the past, it is doubtful that you = even fully understood what your AI-generated material is saying.</div><div>= <br></div><div>Most of the features you list here are not innovations at al= l but a cheap copy of what you have simply recompiled or repackaged from Ba= cula Community, which already offers many plugins and advanced backup funct= ions in open source form.</div><div><br></div><div>The more interesting que= stion is how you and your development team intend to further develop Bacula= Core itself, or whether you are once again just waiting for the next commu= nity release so you can copy new features into your product.</div><div><br>= </div><div>Innovation does not come from copy and paste. It comes from orig= inal design, real-world testing, and delivering value beyond what the commu= nity has already built.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div> </div> </div> <= div id=3D"m_-7289606999999779334m_3514217287192629826CanaryDropbox"> </div>= </div></blockquote></div><div><br clear=3D"all"></div><div><br></div><span= class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"g= mail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Atenciosamente,<br><br>Heitor faria (Miami= )<br><a href=3D"https://ngbackup.com" target=3D"_blank">https://ngbackup.co= m</a><div>WhatsApp: +1 786-726-1749 |=C2=A0+55 61 98268-4220<br></div></div= ></div> _______________________________________________ <br>Bacula-users ma= iling list <br><a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target= =3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> <br><a href=3D"https://l= ists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users" target=3D"_blank">https:/= /lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users</a> <br></div> </div> </= blockquote> </div></blockquote></div><div><br clear=3D"all"></div><div><br>= </div><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr"= class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Atenciosamente,<br><br>Heitor f= aria (Miami)<br><a href=3D"https://ngbackup.com" target=3D"_blank">https://= ngbackup.com</a><div>WhatsApp: +1 786-726-1749 |=C2=A0+55 61 98268-4220<br>= </div></div></div> --0000000000008fd059065604463c-- --===============3302491690845516637== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --===============3302491690845516637== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Bacula-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users --===============3302491690845516637==--