Re: PIM or CIM

Hi all
I have been lurking here for a while...[A long post]
This converstion is made possible by the opt-in mailing list.
I think the power of this form of communication is vastly under-rated as a
communications model. Opengroupware is being develped along with most other
open-source projects with the mailing list pivotal to that development.
I believe the"email" component is incidental to the communication model.

As I said I am a "lurker". This means:
"I am interested in the general  subject and would like to be "involved" in the
discussion at some undetermined time in the future."

Now that I have responded to this list I have promoted myself to a contributer.

I have joined this thread [PIM or CIM ] a sub-project of  the
overall project called [email protected]

Because I promoted myself i have very low "status" and this contribution to
the"idea" may or may not be responded to by better know and respected
contributers.

The more involved in the overall project a contributer the higher the status.


The highest status is initially given to the person who started the overall project.
Status is not  defined by volume of communication [troll] but by quality of
contribution. This can either be in a single thread [specialist] or across the
entire project. [manager/executive] Importantly there is no "knowledge lockout"
Any person interested in the overall project can contribute. [even me]
A very flat organisational structure indeed!

Now the tricky bit.. As we all know trying to organise a time to do something on
 a mail list is like herding cats..

This may be a function of open-source development rather than an intrinsic
failure in the model though.
In a business there is a structure and if the highest ranking person says.
Meeting at 2.00pm. There is going to a meeting. How you extract this in to
meaningful individual time-lines though is beyond me..
  

 regards
Robert Slater




Quoting Helge Hess <[email protected]>:

> On Oct 17, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Berndt Jansson wrote:
> > I see a difference with sharing and scheduling and group collaboration,
> > Scheduling and e-mail is for me PIM related. Group work is more like a
> > virtual conference Rome that you enter, and work together with others,
> > discuss problems or other related matters.
>
> Sure.
>
> > Calendar in a CIM is for me the
> > groups calendar not for an individual person.
>
> Well, I don't actually like the word "Calendar". It is IMHO an outdated
> "concept" to have separate calendars. If you want to do useful planning
> - whether its in a group, a project or for individual planning - you
> always need to have proper (all, at least freebusy) appointment
> information.
> So a calendar is just a special "query" over the whole set of
> appointments associated with a name or other entity (eg a project).
>
> > As an individual you are not
> > interested in matters that not concern you even if that kind of matter
> > is in
> > a group between others but on the other hand it is of importance to
> > know
> > that it happens therefore the group calendar.
>
> Yes. In the PIM you don't focus on group calenders in the appointment
> presentation. Instead you focus on the personal information.
> Nevertheless - if you make a personal appointment, you should be warned
> whether you already have some appointment at the same time in some
> project. Thats crucial for working time planning and to free your mind
> from having to remember different calendars.
>
> > Discussion is to minimise the e-mail conversation that are basically
> > between
> > two people (I know it is easy to send to a lot of people at the same
> > time).
>
> Very much agreed. OGo is about reducing email communication whenever
> possible. Eg if you send OGo objects using email, you actually send
> references to the shared data and follow-up collaboration can actually
> take place at the OGo shared object (eg a document or an appointment).
>
> > The problem with e-mail as a tool for group conversation is obvious.
> > With a
> > discussion area it is easy to follow a thread, start a new or reply,
> > in a
> > specific topic
>
> Agreed. From a technical POV email is a *single* user tool and not
> really a "groupware" application. We do not want to "misuse" email
> technology.
>
> regards,
>    Helge
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