Re: Re: Alternate offerings -- OpenXchange + OpenGroupware.ORG?

Bryan J. Smith wrote:

>On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 15:27, Helge Hess wrote:
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>>I think there needs to be a clarification of the confusing terms:
>>a) SLOX/OpenExchange
>>b) Open-Xchange
>>a) is the product provided by SuSE and is basically an SLSS (SuSE Linux 
>>Standard Server) + b), the collaboration components. SLSS in turn is a 
>>SuSE Linux Enterprise Server + Cyrus/Postfix/OpenLDAP and some 
>>administration interface for that.
>>b) is just the Java pages, no administration or backend components.
>>So b) is not really interesting and certainly not the reason why people 
>>buy a). SLOX is mostly run as an email server where it provides 
>>reliable technology.
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>Ahhh.
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>I guess what I'm looking for is a GPL piece of software that comes with
>all the LDAP and Cyrus IMAP administration "all rolled up" for me.  So
>Novell's GPL release is nothing of the sort.  Oh well.
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>>Of course. This is basically SLSS + OGo. And the OGo project actually 
>>provides preconfigured packages build for and on SLSS. OGo 1.0 will 
>>have SLSS packages from the beginning on.
>>This is interesting which is why this is covered by OGo :-)
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>I really need to get deeper into all this.
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>I always try to "break down" mail/collaboration technologies for people,
>_before_ addressing the actual products.  I'm big on "understand
>technologies, not products."  Only when you understand the stores,
>protocols, etc... involved can you understand the products.
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>Then I break down the products, MS Exchange, Bynari InsightConnector
>and/or InsightServer, various stores with MAPI connectors,
>OpenGroupware.ORG and SKYRiX SideStore/Look, etc...
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>With OGo and ZideStore, we now have a solution that has an "open server
>store" and "collaboration back-end."  I really didn't find "MS Exchange
>alternatives" to be too inviting (although MS Exchange does have its
>technical issues, long story), because most of them are still a
>proprietary server store served by a MAPI connector.  OGo/SKYRiX's
>connector merely converts MAPI into its WebDAV to its open store.
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>Which is why I'm now a big proponent of OGo over anything else.  But I'd
>still like to find an "easy-to-setup/administer" OpenLDAP/CyrusIMAP
>complement other than to do it "raw."
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>-- Bryan
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i hear this all to often...

my standard response is that a 'raw' install quickly becomes 'refined 
understanding'
as one learns the realities of  running a mailserver.

please, consider going through the manual steps several times to really 
come to
know your email platform. i really don't think software as complex, 
flexible and powerful
as open source mta's should be 'click and install'.  one should have 
their hands on all the
buttons and switches.

when i first became interested in open source, i felt as you do... 'why 
is everything so damn
convoluted?'... well, 5 years later and i've accepted that reality is 
convoluted.
commercial vendors like you to believe that software's really monolithic 
and tidy. this
simply isn't so.  embrace complexity... :)

it's really the install and not administration that is 'hard'.  postfix 
is probably the easiest
if you don't need isp-type features. qmail is the most flexible. stay 
away from sendmail.

i hope this helps and i'm happy to hear that you are satisfied with ogo. 
let us know how it goes.

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kelley g

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