Re: [OSCOM] ANN: Magnolia 3.0 Simple Enterprise Content Management released

On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 02:26:17PM +0200, Boris Kraft wrote:
> I think that is outright ridiculous. Why should that be of no  
> interest? 

i am not speaking for OSCOM, therefore my comment has nothing to do with
the rules of OSCOM, but rather with the reason why i joined this list.

> My point is that it is very very valid to send this  
> announcement exactly because you find out how we try to make a  
> living, and those of you that pay your salary know what that means.

i am interrested in free software and free software only,
i have been making a living working with free software for more than 10
years, so i really do not need anyone to tell me how they can't make a
living with free software. i simply do not care.

> If you don't like my announcement, simply delete it.

personally, i am ignoring the part that mentions nonfree software, and
as long as there is something about free software in it, i'll continue
to do so, however others may not be so kind, and if this list gets to
much "advertizing" for nonfree stuff then some people may leave.

> I don't like to  be kept in check by unwritten rules of what I may or
> may not do -  

where in the title "open source content managment" do you see anything
that relates to nonfree software?  the title clearly states that this is
about free software, and not about anything else.

please mind the target audience, the people who may be interrested in
your enterprise edition are not on this list (well, maybe some of them
are, but those will also be reading other channels where they can find
that announcement as well)

> where is your "open" spirit?

in my open spirit there is no room for something closed.

> I feel like I live in a dictatorship  country, with strong censorship
> "no, thats not allowed" Ah, thats  forbidden too, I am sorry", "nope,
> you can't do that either" ...

huh? democracy does not imply the right to bother people with
information they are not interrested in.  there are so many companies
out there trying to sell me something, and i came here because here i
hoped to find people who do not try to sell me something.

> We had a discussion a while back on this list (when it was still  
> somewhat alive) that you need to know the secret handshake to be  
> recognized as a valued OSCOM member. I still feel this spirit here in  
> your responses.

yes, unfortunately that is true for most of the people in the open
source and free software movements.  we tend to expect that everyone
understands what free software is, and then are offended if someone does
not understand it. 

which is why i wrote my previous mail to explain what (i thought) the
previous poster meant.
note that i wrote it in private because i intentionally wanted to avoid
such a discussion on the list since it does not really help OSCOM.

> We recently tried a revival of OSCOM but *none* of you was even  
> remotely interested to do anything in that direction. But sending an  
> email that explains that additional to a great (and free) open source  
> offering there is availability of other editions that provide  
> additional benefits gets lots of attention.

> I think that speaks volumes about the state OSCOM is in.

as above, this is not OSCOM but open source and free software movements
in general.  these are defensive reactions. there are companies out
there who missuse the term open source (which is why i prefer to use the
term free software, because it gets missused a lot less) and especially
people who are new to this are easely misled in thinking that they will
get free software when they buy someones nonfree addition to some free
software offering.

greetings, martin.
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