Re: [Tiki-devel] Problem with french translation for "Location"

To be sure I get it righ (and thanks for helping me to understand)t;

at : lang/fr/language.php

I change;
"Location" => "Lieu",

for

"Location_(map)" => "Lieu",

And at : templates/tiki-user_preferences.tpl line 99

I change 

{tr}Location{/tr}

for

{tr}Location_(map){/tr}

Ok...

But this will break translation for ALL the string "Location" in every language.
And meaning is I should change each occurence of

{tr}Location{/tr}
and eventually:
{tr}location{/tr}
tra('Location')
tra('location')

Then rebuilt the language strings.

That look like an "Adventurous" change/commit just before a release.🤔

Bernard


> On 26 Jan 2021, at 11:45 , luciash via TikiWiki-devel <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> What should be done to implement it: I guess just go ahead and change the strings in tpl files then translate in language.php?
> 
> luci
> 
> 
> On 26.01.2021 10:13, Bsfez Tiki via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> While I’m looking in the translations I have to merge I found that issue we previously discussed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Seems we add a kind of solution:
>> 
>>> "edit (verb)": modifier
>>> "edit (noun)": modification
>>> "D_(day)" => "D", (in english)
>>> "D_(day)" => "J" (in french)
>> 
>>> "Location_(map)" => "Lieu" (in french)
>>> "Rent" => "Location" (in french)
>>> "Location" (in a tracker dropdown) stays "Location"
>> 
>> What should be done to implement it ?
>> 
>> I (and I see others here and there) have commented/broken translations in French because of this).
>> 
>> 
>> Bernard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 15:02 , [email protected] wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't remember a specific example in Tiki off hand, but there are also examples of a term in English that has many translations.. Something like:
>>> "edit (verb)": modifier
>>> "edit (noun)": modification
>>> 
>>> Marc
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 12:31:53 +0000 Tiki developers [email protected] said
>>> 
>>>> Probably "if i remember correctly"? (guessing from
>>>> https://www.acronymfinder.com/Slang/IIRC.html ;)
>>>> But i don't remember that suggestion i'm afraid, but it's a good one. In the past we've discussed more structural ways of adding a content - like
>>>> by making the strings in the templates into constant looking tokens (like
>>>> LOCATION_AS_IN_MAPS) and then completely rebuilding the translation system to
>>>> take account of this, which has never happened because it would be a huge
>>>> task, would make the templates extra ugly and unlikely to be funded by
>>>> clients directly...
>>>> But Luci's idea could fairly easily by implemented with the small addition of
>>>> a little test in the tra() function to strip off the trailing _(some text) if
>>>> no translation is found (preferably not using regular expressions for
>>>> performance reasons).
>>>> So for Bernard's other similar question those calendar ones could be
>>>> "D_(day)", "M_(month)" etc.
>>>> I like it! :)
>>>> jb_(jonny)
>>>>> On 9 Nov 2020, at 11:59, Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> IIRC ?
>>>>>> On 2020-11-09 6:23 a.m., luciash via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>>>>> Good thinking Polyna, it happened before but it was not so important for
>>>>> anyone to care. IIRC I proposed something like this (context identifier, e.g.
>>>>> "Location_(place)", "List_(button)", "List_(title,label)" or "Mine_(my)") for
>>>>> the translation strings already several years ago.
>>>>>>>> luci
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09.11.2020 11:55, Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside wrote:
>>>>>>> But this wouldn't solve your problem !
>>>>>>>>>> It will only push it later on to be fixed.
>>>>>>>>>> Because "Location" that can mean "where something is" remain a possibility
>>>>> in French, like in English.
>>>>>>>>>> But also it can means to offer something for rental.
>>>>>>>>>> I think it would be something smart to push it a bit further to our mind
>>>>> finding a solution.
>>>>>>>>>> Because if this now arise with one keyword, we can be assured this will
>>>>> appear later on with some different word, maybe in Spanish, Japanese or even
>>>>> Russian this time...
>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised this didn't happened before and haven't been think about....
>>>>>>>>>> The pretty simple fact that taking word out of context and translating them
>>>>> won't do the job on the long run. Don't need a PhD in linguistic to understand
>>>>> this one ! Neither do you need to have developed a natural language processing
>>>>> library to start that maybe there's a need to evolve the crude simple string
>>>>> matching translation...
>>>>>>>>>> Those a just my crazy idea... and it's why I implemented some context
>>>>> identifier to the string, so that I can use unique word in different context
>>>>> and control how they translate. So that the translation keep a bit of logic.
>>>>> Sometime, you also have to invert the position of word in sentence. Or it
>>>>> really look like a 1985 translated text based console video game...
>>>>>>>>>> On 2020-11-09 5:15 a.m., luciash via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>>>>>>> In such cases we introduce new preference for Trackers on i18n control
>>>>> panel "Multilingual Tracker field names" to make it optional.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09.11.2020 9:26, Bsfez Tiki via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a French Tiki in a tracker I have a dropdown field and one field value
>>>>> is "Location" (meaning rent in French)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is swapped for the word "Lieu" and that’s a different meaning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The swapping is a translation.
>>>>>>>>> At lang/fr/language.php line 2304 we have
>>>>>>>>> "Location" => "Lieu",
>>>>>>>>> Location exist in French and as a different meaning than in English
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do we deal with such cases ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
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