Re: [Tiki-devel] Problem with french translation for "Location"

Yes, I would do it after the release. Too late to do it either way now 
(sadly) I guess.

You need to run the script from Brendan then to fix all the languages 
after making the change in tpls iirc.

luci


On 26.01.2021 12:08, Bsfez Tiki wrote:
> To be sure I get it righ (and thanks for helping me to understand)t;
>
> at : lang/fr/language.php
>
> I change;
> "Location" => "Lieu",
>
> for
>
> "Location_(map)" => "Lieu",
>
> And at : templates/tiki-user_preferences.tpl line 99
>
> I change
>
> {tr}Location{/tr}
>
> for
>
> {tr}Location_(map){/tr}
>
> Ok...
>
> But this will break translation for ALL the string "Location" in every language.
> And meaning is I should change each occurence of
>
> {tr}Location{/tr}
> and eventually:
> {tr}location{/tr}
> tra('Location')
> tra('location')
>
> Then rebuilt the language strings.
>
> That look like an "Adventurous" change/commit just before a release.🤔
>
> Bernard
>
>
>> On 26 Jan 2021, at 11:45 , luciash via TikiWiki-devel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> What should be done to implement it: I guess just go ahead and change the strings in tpl files then translate in language.php?
>>
>> luci
>>
>>
>> On 26.01.2021 10:13, Bsfez Tiki via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> While I’m looking in the translations I have to merge I found that issue we previously discussed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems we add a kind of solution:
>>>
>>>> "edit (verb)": modifier
>>>> "edit (noun)": modification
>>>> "D_(day)" => "D", (in english)
>>>> "D_(day)" => "J" (in french)
>>>> "Location_(map)" => "Lieu" (in french)
>>>> "Rent" => "Location" (in french)
>>>> "Location" (in a tracker dropdown) stays "Location"
>>> What should be done to implement it ?
>>>
>>> I (and I see others here and there) have commented/broken translations in French because of this).
>>>
>>>
>>> Bernard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 10 Nov 2020, at 15:02 , [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't remember a specific example in Tiki off hand, but there are also examples of a term in English that has many translations.. Something like:
>>>> "edit (verb)": modifier
>>>> "edit (noun)": modification
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 12:31:53 +0000 Tiki developers [email protected] said
>>>>
>>>>> Probably "if i remember correctly"? (guessing from
>>>>> https://www.acronymfinder.com/Slang/IIRC.html ;)
>>>>> But i don't remember that suggestion i'm afraid, but it's a good one. In the past we've discussed more structural ways of adding a content - like
>>>>> by making the strings in the templates into constant looking tokens (like
>>>>> LOCATION_AS_IN_MAPS) and then completely rebuilding the translation system to
>>>>> take account of this, which has never happened because it would be a huge
>>>>> task, would make the templates extra ugly and unlikely to be funded by
>>>>> clients directly...
>>>>> But Luci's idea could fairly easily by implemented with the small addition of
>>>>> a little test in the tra() function to strip off the trailing _(some text) if
>>>>> no translation is found (preferably not using regular expressions for
>>>>> performance reasons).
>>>>> So for Bernard's other similar question those calendar ones could be
>>>>> "D_(day)", "M_(month)" etc.
>>>>> I like it! :)
>>>>> jb_(jonny)
>>>>>> On 9 Nov 2020, at 11:59, Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> IIRC ?
>>>>>>> On 2020-11-09 6:23 a.m., luciash via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>>>>>> Good thinking Polyna, it happened before but it was not so important for
>>>>>> anyone to care. IIRC I proposed something like this (context identifier, e.g.
>>>>>> "Location_(place)", "List_(button)", "List_(title,label)" or "Mine_(my)") for
>>>>>> the translation strings already several years ago.
>>>>>>>>> luci
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09.11.2020 11:55, Polyna-Maude R.-Summerside wrote:
>>>>>>>> But this wouldn't solve your problem !
>>>>>>>>>>> It will only push it later on to be fixed.
>>>>>>>>>>> Because "Location" that can mean "where something is" remain a possibility
>>>>>> in French, like in English.
>>>>>>>>>>> But also it can means to offer something for rental.
>>>>>>>>>>> I think it would be something smart to push it a bit further to our mind
>>>>>> finding a solution.
>>>>>>>>>>> Because if this now arise with one keyword, we can be assured this will
>>>>>> appear later on with some different word, maybe in Spanish, Japanese or even
>>>>>> Russian this time...
>>>>>>>>>>> I am surprised this didn't happened before and haven't been think about....
>>>>>>>>>>> The pretty simple fact that taking word out of context and translating them
>>>>>> won't do the job on the long run. Don't need a PhD in linguistic to understand
>>>>>> this one ! Neither do you need to have developed a natural language processing
>>>>>> library to start that maybe there's a need to evolve the crude simple string
>>>>>> matching translation...
>>>>>>>>>>> Those a just my crazy idea... and it's why I implemented some context
>>>>>> identifier to the string, so that I can use unique word in different context
>>>>>> and control how they translate. So that the translation keep a bit of logic.
>>>>>> Sometime, you also have to invert the position of word in sentence. Or it
>>>>>> really look like a 1985 translated text based console video game...
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2020-11-09 5:15 a.m., luciash via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In such cases we introduce new preference for Trackers on i18n control
>>>>>> panel "Multilingual Tracker field names" to make it optional.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09.11.2020 9:26, Bsfez Tiki via TikiWiki-devel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In a French Tiki in a tracker I have a dropdown field and one field value
>>>>>> is "Location" (meaning rent in French)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it is swapped for the word "Lieu" and that’s a different meaning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The swapping is a translation.
>>>>>>>>>> At lang/fr/language.php line 2304 we have
>>>>>>>>>> "Location" => "Lieu",
>>>>>>>>>> Location exist in French and as a different meaning than in English
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do we deal with such cases ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B
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