Re: [Tiki-devel] Admin UI friendliness

"Dr. Sassafras" <[email protected]> Sat, 19 Nov 2022 03:00:22 -0500

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Yup. I think a “show additional 11 advanced preferences” or something like that would be good. Google does something similar. It has a link to show all listings when it has hidden some. They display it at the bottom of the search results.

Brendan

On Nov 17, 2022, at 2:58 AM, Victor Emanouilov via TikiWiki-devel <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Jean-Marc,

Yes, this is also a quite nice improvement but I don't think it
would have helped the person trying to setup API section with only
basic filters turned on as he was not actually searching for a
setting. Maybe we combine this idea with the one from Jonny about
a message when no filters as shown in a section due to filtering?

Regards,

Victor

On 11/17/22 1:40 AM, Jean-Marc Libs
wrote:

Hi Victor,

I understand the logic of hiding Tiki's complexity to
newcomers and I also agree that we lack a way of indicating to
people who have been using a Tiki for some time that they
should consider changing the filter.

After all, they probably chose Tiki for its power.

One way I have been thinking of after reading your post is:
when people do a feature search in the admin panel, we could
add an unobtrusive line which tells them that they only see
the results for the basic features due to their configuration.

With a helpful link to the filter.

Since this would be shown for every feature search, it
should be just a line of text which does take as much room as
info boxes!

Examples of what I have in mind on top of the feature
search (we need to come up with our own text):

<image.png>

Or like this after the feature search (which might be an
empty search when searching in "basic" mode):

<image.png>

Would that help?

Cheers,

J-M

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 9:41
AM Victor Emanouilov via TikiWiki-devel <[email protected] >
wrote:

Hi all,

I have stumbled upon this before as well but new Tiki
users find it really hard to enable advanced settings when
they are completely unaware of the fact that we hide them
by default in Admin UI. Here's a recent example I had with
someone new to TIki trying to enable the API:

There is no clue that they need to enable advanced
preferences in the small filter dropdown at the top left.
Can we think of a more user-friendly way to convey this
filtering options? I personally have searched for a
setting for a few times while using Tiki and I am not even
new to Tiki. Can you think of any good ideas to make this
more user friendly? Improving the message on this page
won't solve the issue as we have many such places in Tiki
admin where settings are hidden and someone might be
looking for them.

Maybe a one-time warning message at the top that some
preferences are hidden and they need to allow the
corresponding filters to see? If they close the message,
it shouldn't show again to stop bothering user.

Regards,

Victor

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