Re: [Tiki-devel] [Tiki-users] [moin-user] Announce: Moin2Tiki, MoinMoin to Tiki migration tool

Volker Wysk <post-hhF2Jplw28UoZk/[email protected]> Sun, 12 Feb 2023 17:51:35 +0100
Newsgroups	gmane.comp.cms.tiki.devel
Message-ID	<[email protected]>
Hi!

This darn Evolution MUA seems to double the ">"s a the beginning of the
line, every time you save something as a draft.

Am Sonntag, dem 12.02.2023 um 14:50 +0000 schrieb Jonny Bradley via
TikiWiki-devel:
> > > > Hi Volker (seems like a dev chat now? ;)
> > > > 
> > > > Replies inline...
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > On 10 Feb 2023, at 13:50, Volker Wysk <post-hhF2Jplw28UoZk/[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hi Jonny
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > You mean the moin-import.php part? Most is done in Mercury.
> > > > > > > > I doubt you've
> > > > > > > > heard of that language. :-) I don't see how the Mercury
> > > > > > > > parts could be
> > > > > > > > integrated into Tiki. I don't think that would even make
> > > > > > > > sense.
> > > > 
> > > > I was wondering what the .m files were, is that what MoinMoin is
> > > > written in? so it compiles to an executable image? Cool...

The .m files are Mercury code. MoinMoin is written in Python. I don't use
any MoinMoin code in Moin2Tiki. I parse the MoinMoin markup by myself, with
a parser written in Mercury. 

Mercury compiles sources to executables. And fairly efficient ones. From the
executable, I create an AppImage, which users can use, so they don't need to
compile Moin2Tiki by themselves.

Mercury is a logic- and functional language. It's logic, mathematics, a
great-grandchild of Prolog.

> > > > 
> > > > > > > > But I've already been thinking about integrating the moin-
> > > > > > > > import.php part in
> > > > > > > > Tiki...
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe a good start would be to get it to work as an additional
> > > > package in Tiki? Not sure how you would add a new one but someone
> > > > will. The main doc page is here https://doc.tiki.org/Packages

Including moin-import.php would involve extending it, to be of more general
use. Right now, it's fitted to Moin2Tiki's needs. It should then be renamed
to "pages-import.php" or something like that.

It could become a replacement for the very old and broken "XML-Wiki-Import-
Export" tool (but now as a command line tool).

I think it could just be included in Tiki, in the top directory with all the
other PHP scripts. There's "console.php", that's a command line utility,
too. I don't see an advantage of packaging it as a package. That would only
make things more complicated.

Cheers,
Volker


> > > > 
> > > > At FOSDEM we saw a good talk about migrating to another platform
> > > > (XWiki) and it's something we should encourage in Tiki and improve,
> > > > so this might be a good start!
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks
> > > > 
> > > > jonny
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > Volker
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Am Freitag, dem 10.02.2023 um 13:31 +0000 schrieb Jonny
> > > > > > > > Bradley via
> > > > > > > > TikiWiki-users:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Volker (copying the dev list too)
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > That's great, well done!
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Have you thought about integrating that into tiki?
> > > > > > > > > > > > It's generally how we work - the "all in one"
> > > > > > > > > > > > approach! :)
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > The code looks clean and good, so we'd love to have
> > > > > > > > > > > > you on board developing and fixing stuff inside tiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > if you're up for that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, impressive work, many thanks!
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > jonny
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9 Feb 2023, at 16:45, Volker Wysk
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <post-hhF2Jplw28UoZk/[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message has been forwarded from the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MoinMoin users' mailing list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: Volker Wysk <post-hhF2Jplw28UoZk/[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An: Moin User <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Betreff: [moin-user] Announce: Moin2Tiki,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MoinMoin to Tiki migration tool
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Datum: Thu, 09 Feb 2023 17:38:35 +0100
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of MoinMoin? Migrate to Tiki!
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've written a MoinMoin to Tiki migration
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tool, called "Moin2Tiki". It lets
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you migrate your MoinMoin wiki to the Tiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wiki engine. It reads the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MoinMoin pages, converts them to Tiki markup
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and feeds them to a Tiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > server. Moin2Tiki comes with an AppImage of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the program. This means that you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't need to compile it yourself. See the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quick Start Guide for details
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [5].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why have I switched to Tiki? There are a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple of things I don't like about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MoinMoin. There also are some features I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want, which aren't available there.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can see a list at [6].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that Tiki is much larger, with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much more features and thus more
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > complicated than MoinMoin. Especially if you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > use MoinMoin just as a desktop
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wiki. It takes some effort to install and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configure it. But it's also highly
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > configurable. If you only use the wiki part,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it isn't that complicated. See
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [4]. I'm using Tiki as a desktop wiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > myself.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See Tiki for Smarties [3] for installation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and configuration instructions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moin2Tiki doesn't support all of MoinMoin.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So far, there are some
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > limitations, some serious. For instance,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only one user is supported. And it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > won't be possible to write a program that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > migrates all of MoinMoin's macros
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and parsers. But I might be willing to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > improve Moin2Tiki, if there is any
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interest. Please see [4].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For more information on Tiki, see the Tiki
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > homepage [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The homepage of Moin2Tiki is at [2].
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Volker
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://tiki.org/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] https://gitlab.com/volkerwysk/moin2tiki/
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [3]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://twbasics.tikiforsmarties.com/Tiki-for-Smarties
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [4]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://volker-wysk.de/moin2tiki/doc/Limitations.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [5]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://volker-wysk.de/moin2tiki/doc/Quick%20Start%20Guide.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [6]
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://volker-wysk.de/moin2tiki/doc/Complaints%20about%20MoinMoin.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
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