Re: [Tiki-devel] A default for the list of plugins, whose bodies should be indexed

Hello all,

I have read all the thread of the discussions. I will give here the
different proposals of everybody in synthesis and give my opinion.

- The first proposal is from Volker, you proposed to include a list of
default plugins in the preference "Except included plugins"
(unified_included_plugins);
- Then there is another proposal from Rick Sapir, you proposed to add an
option (searchable="y|n") in each plugin to allow flexibility (hit
management system);
- Volker, you proposed to add the settings "Include plugins" and "Exclude
plugins" and also add a "Show
defaults" button in the search panel to show activated and deactivated
plugins.

In the last message you sent, you went back to the idea proposed by Rick
Sapir and pointed out that the "Include plugins" and "Exclude
plugins" already exist in Tiki, but they are just named differently.

Here is my thought:
- Add an option to each plugin (searchable="y|n"). Give the value
searchable="y" to all the plugins that we want to index by default.
- Add another preference that we could call "Included plugins" different
from "Except included plugins" (unified_included_plugins). This new
preference will allow to include plugins with searchable="n" value that we
want to make indexable without depending on "Exclude all plugins"
preference.
- Disable the preference "Exclude all plugins" by default, today this
preference is enabled by default.

With these three proposals, we will have :
- At the beginning, a list of indexed and non-indexed plugins by default
thanks to the option (searchable="y|n").
- A preference that allows to include plugins that we want to make
indexable (The new preference)
- A preference that allows to exclude some plugins even if they are
searchable="y". This preference already exists "Excluded plugins"
(unified_excluded_plugins)
- A preference that allows all plugins "Exclude all plugins", if you
activate it with the possibility to include some plugins with the
preference "Except included plugins".


Thank you!

On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 at 20:39, Volker Wysk <post-hhF2Jplw28UoZk/[email protected]> wrote:

> Am Freitag, dem 13.01.2023 um 13:51 -0500 schrieb Benoit Grégoire:
> > On vendredi 13 janvier 2023 07 h 33 min 10 s EST Jonny Bradley via
> > TikiWiki-devel wrote:
> > > Hi Benoit, Volker and all
> > >
> > > That's some pretty impressive feature creep, i was going to just add
> > > that list:
> >
> > Well, that's a good reason to talk about it ;)  To me at least:
> >
> > - Even having a global "Include plugins" and "Exclude plugins" in
> > preferences is kind of feature creep, because I can't see a case where
> > it's the clear and logical answer to any user's need (To illustrate: when
> > is the answer to "Should this be indexed" be "because it's been affected
> > in some unknowable way by PluginDiv").  It's not even a list of defaults,
> > it's an all-or-nothing thing!
>
> I've thought of that, because we already have global settings for indexing
> or not indexing plugin bodies - in the "Exclude plugins" or "Except
> included
> plugins" search settings.
>
> Maybe you're right, and those settings should be abandoned altogether, in
> favor of global per-plugin settings, specified in the
> "wikiplugin_..._info()" functions. And in favor of an optional "searchable"
> argument for all plugins.
>
> I don't see a good reason either, why someone would want to override those
> settings, when the per-plugin defaults are reasonable.
>
> Volker
>
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