Re: [Tiki-devel] [Tikiwiki-users] importing content

Hello Saša,

in short - start here: https://dev.tiki.org/Markdown

Generally: we need an expressive page on dev.tiki.org referring to new 
feature projects, here the project you obviously push: 'Markdown', where 
all ideas, libs, pros and cons, etcetera are conflated and all 
interested Tikians with their opportunities and offers to contribute and 
all related internal and external pages on dev (and doc) are mentioned.

I did not know if that page is existing, so I searched and created it 
for you and all interested people ... normally that would be the task of 
the person/people who push a feature and are willing to take 
responsibility to organise the integration.

If you need assistance or you have too limited access to edit this page 
or next time to create the initial one, you can ask the community.
I am prepared to assist to get into the "how to do" process or the "get 
access" thingi and I think Marc would do so aswell, as he proofed 
uncountable times, since I know him. Just we will not do it ourselves 
for everybody. We just cannot. But showing how to do I find quite 
efficient, if everybody helps to show the next ones ... .

There are a few people who already have shared thoughts abot Markdown 
and offered support or contribution.
Those people need to know the dev page https://dev.tiki.org/Markdown for 
that they can add their thoughts to that page and can find relevant 
information and potential co-workers to coordinate with.

I hope that helps you and everybody who is interested to get Markdown 
into Tiki, what I generally find an interesting idea by the way ... 
maybe not as a replacement, but as an additional option.

Please have a look at the foolowing:

When I checked commonmark.org and quickly compared to our WikiSynax I 
identified some potential limitations of Markdown towards WikiSyntax.

Please compare yourself (maybe i am wrong or I found only a limited set 
of Markdown examples):

https://commonmark.org/help/

https://doc.tiki.org/Wiki-Syntax

 From my point of view, Tiki's WikISyntax is far more advanced that 
Markdown, which is focussed to make it as easy as possible for 
non-tecchie users to work with a handy syntax instead of a WYSIWYG.

Just thoughts.

Best regards,
Torsten


On 10/06/2018 09:07 AM, Saša Janiška wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 14:51:46 -0400
> Marc Laporte <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hello Marc,
>
>> You started more than one thread on related topics in the last week.
> Well things a a bit inter-related...
>
>> I took the time to answer your questions, this time around, and a few
>> years ago when you were evaluating Tiki.
> Thank you for that!
>
>> I indicated that it was "not on my personal or business roadmap"
>> because I get the feeling you are trying to pressure me or others into
>> doing something.
> Why did you get such a feeling?
>
> First of all, I wrote a post to the Pandoc mailing list asking about support
> for Tiki writer, then commented here:
>
> https://dev.tiki.org/item6697-Markdown-support
>
> asking about wіkiLinigo which was mentioned years ago when I was interested for
> Asciidoc. Then submitted ticket (https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/issues/4825) to
> the Pandoc tracker on Aug 9th.
>
> After that I visited #tikiwiki and was a bit surprised to see much less people
> than years ago when evaluating Tiki...there I met Bernard asking about support
> for Chat app and mentioning my desire to have better facilities to
> import/export to/from Tiki which is actually the same thing expressed to you
> several years ago when I did encounter Tiki for the first time...and I'm still
> sure that by using more standard markup allowing import/export, Tiki would have
> more users today.
>
> Bernard suggested on Sep 29th me to create 'wishlist' which I did on Sep 30th:
>
> https://dev.tiki.org/item6827-Tiki-writer-support-for-Pandoc
>
> and a little bit earlier I sent my first post to the users-list being mostly
> concerned about import/export capabilites, mentioning Pandoc issue and asking
> about wikiLingo.
>
> I have become more fired up only after lucish mentioned: "at the recent
> TikiFest Montreal we discussed possibilities of adding Common Mark" in
> #tikiwiki considering that (finally) Tiki devs are seeing the value of support
> for more standard markup which could greatly help its wider adoption.
>
> Iow, initial inquiry was just testing a pulse and only after that I did some
> research, found some links in regard to PHP-Markdown parsers etc. based on
> "well, we mostly concluded it is for the future and that we could start by
> adding a new wikiplugin first for Markdown support which could eventually
> evolve in global parser support later...", found out there is (some) support
> for (github-flavoured) markdown in CKE which Tiki uses (I discussed that with
> Bernard in Open Hours yesterday)...
>
> Btw, what is, in essence, the difference in my proposal with e.g.:
>
> https://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4057
>
> That's why I'm a bit sad that you got the feeling that I'm pushing you or
> someone else to ѕo something *on my behalf*, while in reality it's just my
> enthusiasm trying to help further promotion of Tiki by adding, imho, important
> feature.
>
> Still, I do apologize for my overheated enthusiasm and promise to resist
> further temptations in regard.
>   
>
> Sincerely,
> Gour
>
>
>
>
>
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