Re: [Tiki-devel] [Tiki-users] doc.tiki.org is down?!

@Bernard:

1- The current thread is about performance / reliability of *.tiki.org sites. I repeat: "We could invest hundreds of hours to clean up data that has no impact on performance." As proof, Aris and I did a few tweaks on some of the sites, and some sites were upgraded to 23.x and we are seeing some improvements.

2- I don't understand what you propose and I think this is just noise for everyone watching this thread, so I proposed that you make a wiki page so you describe the project. And people who are interested can join you on this project.

Best regards,

Marc


On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:00:57 +0300 Tiki developers [email protected] said

> Hi Marc,
> 
> > @Bernard: I tried to explain the best I could.
> 
> I understand you feel like you explained everything you had to tell about
> this.
> 
> But I don’t see where you explain why it is important to keep those datas
> "alive" in our existing Tiki sites where they require resources, maintenance,
> monitoring, etc... (or I may have miss it).
> 
> We have a discussion about this in a few weeks and we will be able to
> complete and pass missing informations.
> I’ve added examples of pages I have found that are outdated and can only
> (IMO) hurt our image when someone land on it + we lost the visitors (we
> should implement tools to redirect him to other pages). 
> 
> Then from our decisions we will decide what to do (after we agree on a
> realistic project).
> 
> Have a nice week-end,
> Bernard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 24 Jul 2021, at 08:59 , Marc Laporte <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > @Bernard: I tried to explain the best I could.
> > 
> > If you want to propose a plan, I suggest you start a wiki page with the
> > project.
> > 
> > Marc
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 15:17:47 +0300 Bsfez Tiki [email protected] said
> > 
> >> Hi Marc,
> >> I agree with your arguments but not with the conclusion.
> >> If we are struggling to find resources to publish/manage 15+ years of data
> >> and if checking those data is an unrealistic project that will take a huge
> >> amount of hours.
> >> Why would we try to do it ?
> >> Monitoring those data will only add extra resources consumption and even if
> >> monitored, who will analyse and do some kind of action based on those
> > reports
> >> ?
> >> It won’t solve the huge amount of time issue to analyse reports, to clean
> >> pages, to move pages to warn about outdated information, etc.
> >> I don’t see the point where once we decide a policy actions are turned
> > into
> >> automatic process done by AI. 😉
> >> (while I’ll be very glad to have improvement in the monitoring area on
> > Tiki
> >> monitoring)
> >> Unless there is a critical reason (and we should agree on it) to keep this
> >> heavy inheritance my conclusion is that we should move the data in a read
> >> only area where they’ll use as less as possible resources AND where it
> > will
> >> be understandable that this is outdated or none-used data. (publishing those
> >> data are sometimes damaging Tiki image).
> >> May be a fresh start (reset) is a but too much, but we can decide simple
> >> criteria for archiving pages (last visited/edited time).
> >> Other project did that before us and they didn’t die...
> >> Bernard
> >> > On 22 Jul 2021, at 16:51 , Marc Laporte <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > >> For all the reasons above, I think we shouldn't keep 15+ years of data
> >> > online
> >> >> all the time in a Tiki. We should keep them archived somewhere and
> > available
> >> > as read only. > > I don't see how this is realistic with the current
> > community and technology.
> >> > > 1- It would take a huge amount of hours to manage such a project.
> > Determine
> >> > guidelines, go through content, etc.
> >> > > 2- If we archive them somewhere, we are just transferring the problem
> >> > somewhere else. What system? who will manage? what will lifecycle? how
> > will
> >> > links work? etc.
> >> > > We could invest hundreds of hours to clean up data that has no impact on
> >> > performance.
> >> > > > I repeat my conclusion:
> >> > "The main issue is that we do not have a proper monitoring system. We are
> >> > somewhat blind to what are the root causes of issues."
> >> > > Once we know the root causes, we can determine a sensible plan.
> >> > > Marc
> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > 
> > 
> 
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