Re: thinking

I will be on vacation for a little bit more than one week.

So, I will join your discussion after my vacation.

Thanks

Michael

ilya wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Thanks, Nathan, for letter.
> 
> For users there are two problems:
> 1. unknowing,
> 2. heavy load from internet (20Mb)
> 
> [1]
> 
> In now's documentation - it's hard to understand how all work, and what
> I must to do... (if I'am first-time-user of cocoon2)
> 
> I understand what hard to write about all technologies what using in Wyona.
> 
> Maybe - have one version WyonaCMS (for lite, st., pr. editions) but
> differents tutorials. Tutorials oriented for concrete task (for users
> who have different knowledge-level), and in this tutorials
> step-by-steps discribe each step - what need, and what making.
> 
> Tutorials:
> 1. Lite
>   1.1. Make one-page site tutorial (i think this well be very popular :)).
>   1.2. Make more complex site with navigation menu tutorial.
>   ...
> 2. Standard
>   2.1. Make site with xsp tutorial.
>   2.2. Make site with esql tutorial.
>   ...
> 3. Professional
>   3.1. Make authentification in site tutorial.
>   3.2. Working with Work-flow in site tutorial.
>   3.3. Working with Revision in site tutorial.
>   3.4. Working with Sheduler in site tutorial.
>   ...
> 
> (all this possible to make by degrees-grow-difficult, each next based
> on previous)
> 
> What important for end-user? - result.
> He want to make small steps - and see result.
> He dont want to understant all what is in Wyona (by week) and then
> make one page.
> 
> ---
> 
> Also I think that useful will be function "WIZARD".
> I.e. there is "Wizard" for projects: "site for offline", "site with user auth",
> "site with sheduler" and so on (make possible to make different
> project for self).
> 
> Steps (for example):
> 1. Open page "wizard" on them - list of projects (f.e. "simple site",
> "site with users" ...)
> 2. Selecting project (f.e. "simple site"), go to next step.
> 3. Name project - user entering name of project, "next".
> 4. Wizard pages:
>   4.1. List with variant of oriented menu: top, left, right...
>   4.2. Variant of site-design: "fantasy", "techno", "simple" ...
>   4.3. Enter copyright information...
>   4.4. ...
>   4.5. Finish.
> 5. Generate xml + xslt pages (blank), and discribe what user must to
> modify.
> 6. User may already see site, but with blank information.
> 7. User - modify XML page for self tasks.
> 8. User generate offline
> 9. User upload files to remote machime.
> 10. User happy.
> 
> 
> [2]
> 
> I see what in Wyona's 20Mb, Cocoon take up 90%.
> i.e make download ~5 Mb (for ordinary internet-user with dealup) is
> impossible.
> 
> Solution - have all on CD, and market them.
> 
> CD - 600Mb
> 
> JDK:
> jdk1.x (win) - 50Mb
> jdk1.x (Linux) - 50Mb
> jdk1.x (FreeBSD) - 50Mb
> jdk1.x (Mac) - 50Mb
> jdk1.x (Solaris) - 50Mb
> (and other OS ...)
> Sum: ~ 300Mb
> 
> Programs:
> Tomcat 4.x.x - 6Mb
> WyonaCMS (core) - 20Mb
> WyonaCMS (applications) - ??Mb
> Sum: 26Mb + ??
> 
> (all with source)
> 
> Cost of this disk - is only material - ~$1
>   + cost for write,
>   + cost for people who working on disk.
>   result: ~$3 (or less or more)
> 
> all open-source, all legally, all may work on any platform (OS).
> I think that this is to be demand.
> 
> This cd-disk may be buy(ed) and by beginner-user and by
> high-skill-java-programmer.
> 
> And if also make paper-book about Wyona - it will be ideal :)
> (but only for english-native people...)
> and store cd in book.
> 
> Ilya
> 
> /ps: sorry for my beginner-english
> 
> 
> 
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