Re: Re: My thoughts on Xaraya

well said, i agree.

marcel

Ryan Walker wrote:
  > Have to say that to some extent I agree with Michael here.  The
> responses from devs and others have been overly defensive.  Clearly 
> Michael did not invest as much time and effort in his critique as other 
> people sometimes have -- posts by Dombos Tamas on the xaraya_devel list 
> come to mind.  But it might be more to the point to mention the Dombos 
> posts as good examples instead of pointing to "online etiquette" 
> resources, which just seems snarky.  As someone who has built my 
> business around Xaraya, it's a little worrisome to see so much 
> defensiveness and lecturing on etiquette.  I mean, it's not terribly 
> worrisome, because my experience with the product has been quite good.  
> Michael's post was emotional and hostile... but so what... can that not 
> be handled?
> It's fair to point out that the critic's help in actually fixing 
> problems is welcome.  But I think that particular point, that means of 
> responding to criticism, is overused.  A critic who does contribute 
> patches is in a better position to demonstrate that they know enough 
> about programming that their criticism should be heeded.  But let's not 
> forget that in this and other disciplines, what critics do is criticize, 
> and that's valuable even when they don't contribute patches.
> 
> I don't know if bugs.xaraya.com is typically used as a place to comment 
> on shortcomings of the code -- I mean, shortcomings that aren't bugs per 
> se -- but maybe someone like Michael should be pointed to 
> bugs.xaraya.com and asked to file any specific comments on areas where 
> code can be improved, under the module where that code is found, so that 
> the maintainer of the module will not lose the comments.  I mean, it was 
> reasonable to point out, as Jason did, that all the code lives in modules.
> 
> I just don't think it's likely that the way in which people have 
> responded to his criticism would necessarily increase the likelihood 
> that he might engage more thoroughly with the project.  But then, of 
> course, not all responses have been exactly the same... it's not a 
> monolith.
> I just wanted to register what this one particular lurker has been 
> thinking as I've followed this conversation.
> -Ryan
>