TOAD GUI

I, for one, do not mind the GUI in TOAD at all.  Sure, it is not 'bright 
and shiny and new' like other recent applications.  But I am not paid to 
use 'new', I am paid to produce quality code quickly.  Toad does this 
immensely well in its current format.  A wholesale revision of the GUI is 
going to make me nonproductive or inefficient for the time it takes me to 
adapt.
And what is wrong with the GUI?  I can customize toolbars, move dockables 
to all 4 sides and float, and have a vast array of options in other areas. 
 And if I want to run a script, I know exactly the keys to press or the 
button to select.
Do you realize how long it took me, like many others, to find the #(d>% 
button to simply set the frames in that no so EXCELlent spreadsheet 
application or the button to change the case of a WORD, all in the name of 
"GUI"?
Don't get me wrong.  I am all for progress.  But, as you so correctly put 
it, "there are a lot of outstanding directions to move this product into 
without having to burn our time rewriting the interface."

Ray Paschke
System Analyst
Federal Home Loan Bank of Pittsburgh
Desk: 412-288-5548
Cell: 412-260-7026



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ok, so that's 100% for Enhanced.  This is contrary to an internal email I 
got yesterday regarding that style:

> One of the worst things about TOAD is how the DEFAULT interface is so 
old gray and dull, dated looking and looks an old java tool before 
Windows95.


we catch flak all the time about Toad's interface, how it's ugly, 
outdated, a joke and so forth.  There's been an item on our MRD for about 
8 years which simply states "Improve the Toad GUI."  I think it means wave 
a magic wand over it and make it without any warts, make it slick and 
shiny, remove MDI, go with ribbons. I don't know what it means. But we 
catch flak for it all the time. It gets a bit tiring to hear it.  When we 
cite what we hear on the boards we're dismissed with "yes, but that's just 
that tiny little subset and they don't represent the whole."

I think there are a lot of outstanding directions to move this product 
into without having to burn our time rewriting the interface. It wouldn't 
work anyway, as independently as all the developers work. If they were 
told to write screens according to a UI designers' output they'd probably 
walk out the door and go someplace where they could work more freely, as 
they've been accustomed to. 

To get that sterling kind of Apple look you have to maintain vigorous 
control, partitioning your team into UI Designers, coders and so forth. We 
don't work that way. Thus the speed, thus the warts.


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich 
Jesse
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [toad] RE: Toolbar Visual Style default

Ian writes:

> Enhanced. The others are (even) worse (although I might decide to have a
> change & use the Office 2003 style)! Sorry, they all look a little dated
> now.

+1

...although I'd prefer Enlightenment if were available in the World of 
Win: 
http://www.enlightenment.org

Rich -- [TeamT]

Disclaimer: It's feeling more than a little Drafty today!



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