[hercules-390] Re: HHCCD146E invalid trk hdr trk 23642

Oh come on guys - think for a minute. Peter's company has a vey good 
product, and they make a good deal of money off it, partly (though 
not primarily) because they went through a lot of expensive and 
difficult procedures to obtain IBM's blessing. 

And running OS/390 on that platform is NOT cheap by anyone's 
standards, not in terms of real dollars. It certainly is less 
expensive than running on current hardware with current DASD though. 
It has it's place and it does a great job. 

Hercules, on the other paw, has no blessings from IBM, enimity from 
vendors of "competing" products (Peter aside :)  and litteraly 
thousands and thousands of users.  In fact, there are probably more 
Hercules installs running at any given second than there are physcial 
hardware mainframes. Even more than the number of LPARS on those 
Mainframes. 

Hercules is just plain fun for certain types of people. :) 

I've looked hard at a commercial application (using Linux/390) with 
Hercules and with Flex. I still think it is a great idea, but the 
amount of work involved is beyond my resources at this time. 

So in the interest of ADVOCACY and not argument, what would be the 
one 'killer' application we could use Hercules for that would help 
its growth along, and at the same time, releive any 
possible "competitive" pressure? Oh yes, and give IBM a reason to 
come up with a hobbist license as well? 

I have one suggestion at this time, and I don't know how well it 
would work out. 

A GAME. 

A big, juicy, role playing, big universe, complex, turn taking, foot 
stomping, rousing emluation of reality game. With the backend (i.e. 
turn) processing happening under processing written to run under 
Hercules. Under what, I am not all that certain. MVS???, VM???, 
MUSIC???, WHATEVER???. 

Put some minds together to pick a good (and possible!) implementation 
set, write some web based stuff and a client interface, and batch up 
the game turns, reports, logic, and all that jazz for processing once 
or twice per day. 

Sure there are other platforms you could do it on, but heck, the 
point is to advocate Hercules - as well as deal with the points I 
brought out a few paragraphs above. 

Who would think of dedicating a mainframe to play games? :) 

-Paul



--- In [email protected], "Fish" <fish@i...> wrote:
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> Peter D. Ward wrote:
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> > Fish wrote:
> > 
> > >But since we're on the subject, WHY do you think there are people
> > >out there who, like Norberto, APPEAR to be [apparently] willing 
to
> > >openly violate their licensing terms? Why do think that is?? Are
> > >most
> > >mainframers / "system/390 software support specialists" and/or
> > >Hercules users software pirates Peter? Are they? I'm curious. 
Give
> > >us YOUR thought on this phenomenon, Peter. What do YOU think 
about
> > >all this?
> > >
> > Permit me to answer questions with questions ---
> 
> (heh) Just kidding on the previous reply. :)
> 
> Okay. Fine. Let's analyze your [flawed] line of reasoning then...
> 
> > Suppose the Fish charge-for version of the Herc GUI is a reality,
> > now suppose these same folks you describe are suspected of having
> > taken copies of the charge-for GUI without payment and use it on
> > their Herc station, all  with the same lofty goals in mind that 
you
> > ascribe to their use of the IBM sofware stack.
> 
> Which would be.......... what?
> 
> To learn about/how to use HERCULES?
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