RE: Re: slanted article "Inside System Storage -- by Tony Pearson"

"Rocky" <[email protected]> Thu, 23 Sep 2010 07:23:32 +0200
Newsgroups gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy
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Mike
 
I got something different out of Pauls post.
I thought Pauls was  referring not about how IBM can prevent it's software
from running on HERCULES but just the opposite.
How to get it running on Hercules and still protect IBMS products and
brands.
 
After all, if IBM really wanted to shut Hercules down they have the $$$ to
do it.
 
I don't thnk that IBM really objects to a few dozens of developers sitting
at home and building tools or applications that might in the long term
increase IBM's profitability. or introrduce a younger generation to the
glory of mainframes - Even on Z systems.
 
They object to the commercial use of this which would affect their balance
sheet.. 
Which really shouldn't bother the Hercules communty at all.
 
Paul was in my opinion right on the button. Much better to work with the IBM
then against them since our objectives don't really compete.
 
 
Roc
 
 
 
 
 
 



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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 05:51 
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [hercules-advocacy] Re: slanted article "Inside System Storage
-- by Tony Pearson"


  

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Paul Raulerson
<[email protected] <mailto:paul.raulerson%40gmail.com> > wrote:
<deleted>
> So let me turn the question around -  what can we do with Hercules that
would:
> (1) Allow IBM to remain in control of their products and brands?
OS/390 (after a certain point) and z/OS are able to detect that they
are running on Hercules and if a certain configuration parameter is
not set to a certain value it goes into a wait state shortly after
IPL. z/PDT comes with a USB device that has a license key for a
certain number of emulated processors. Hercules configuration file
also provides the CPU serial number. Should be able to use existing
z/OS code to obey the license capacity, perhaps with some
modifications. The best x86 / x64 processors provide about 50 MIPS
per emulated processor / x86 thread, so a 2 emulated processor on 1
core hyper-threaded processor (or higher) would verify that
multiprocessing locks work while only providing 100 MIPS, about half
the speed of a 2 processor z800 at a much lower price and electrical
utilization.

Incorporate the existing capacity utilization reports into the basic
system so reports are automatically sent it, instead of the user
having to explicitly run the report and FTP the results to IBM.
Another function could be to ask about the computer's IBM license and
IBM could program a licensed processor reduction or possibly even
revocation of the license.

> (2) Encourage or enable research or development into mainframe subjects?
Use of PCs to work with mainframe software instead of z/800s would
certainly be much cheaper, even just the electrical charges.

> (3) Decrease internal costs of mainframe support and training?
Micro Focus mainframe emulation was a great start. But this is
hardware emulation running the actual z/Series software.

> (4) Encourage widespread but controlled development of new mainframe
software.
They have been giving to universities and colleges traded in
mainframes and dasd storage units and developed college courses to
fill the need for retiring mainframe personel. These people tended
tended to start working in their early 20s from 1960 - 1990 and the
system programmers are all retiring after doing this for 40 years.
This could be an option for the smaller universities who don't want to
build a high power computer room.

> (5) Encourage or enable the use of Linux on mainframes
z/Linux is heavily run and developed on Hercules, at least 2,000 IBM
employees. Enables them to do single step debugging without impacting
anyone else.

> (6) Enable embedded mainframe programs in very small devices?
Somebody has compiled Hercules and installed it on an Linux / Atom /
SD card operating system so that the 1 disk LAN file server became a
Mainframe files server. Ivan Warren ran VM/370 5 pack on an IPaq PDA.

> That's the kind of stuff we should be showing and advocating. That's the
kind of stuff I believe will get us where we want to go.
>
> -Paul
<deleted>
The main advantage of Mainframes over Windows / Linux systems is the
direct access to the needed record without having to open the entire
file. Keeping the user logged in with a under 4K of disk space
instead of MBs of ram dedicated to each user. Should Windows / Linux
manage to build such applications their usage as mainframe
replacements could explode.

-- 
Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA
Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all?






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