RE: Innovation
"ron.hilton" <[email protected]> Sat, 26 May 2012 12:21:41 -0600
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---Xe5BVlAc4a0Fc2m3fDLbzQsfoWJO0XjnNnnz2S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess I will reiterate my earlier suggestion to create a Hercules patent commons. Patents are the only commercially meaningful metric of innovation, and the only asset ever likely to offer any negotiating leverage with IBM. _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roger Bowler Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 10:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hercules-advocacy] Innovation On 5/24/2012 2:41 PM, John P. Hartmann wrote: > Explain to me where that is different from the interactive > debuggers IBM peddles. MVSDDT makes novel use of the Hercules-unique CTCI implementation to provide communication between the server and the Java client, without the need for a TCP/IP stack on MVS. Now that's innovation! And it's something which cannot conveniently be done on a real mainframe. Another innovative feature of Hercules is the fact that it is freely available for anyone to use. This in itself encourages innovation, because products will be developed that otherwise would not have been. Intel-based mainframes have been traditionally viewed merely as inferior clones of the IBM mainframe (a view largely encouraged by IBM, who in a press release famously dismissed Hercules as "not really any different from those who seek to market cheap knock-offs of brand-name clothing or apparel") http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/26/ibm_turbohercules_response/ The really interesting developments will focus on those things an Intel-based mainframe can do that a real mainframe cannot (or at least not conveniently). But it will be an uphill struggle against IBM's understandable desire to squash any innovation that threatens its mainframe monopoly. Roger Bowler Hercules "the people's mainframe" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---Xe5BVlAc4a0Fc2m3fDLbzQsfoWJO0XjnNnnz2S Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> <body style="background-color: #fff;"> <span style="display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="position:relative;"> <div id="ygrp-msg" style="z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id="ygrp-text" > <p>I guess I will reiterate my earlier suggestion to create a Hercules patent<br> commons. Patents are the only commercially meaningful metric of innovation,<br> and the only asset ever likely to offer any negotiating leverage with IBM.<br> <br> _____ <br> <br> From: <a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a><br> [mailto:<a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a>] On Behalf Of Roger Bowler<br> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 10:27 AM<br> To: <a href="mailto:hercules-advocacy%40yahoogroups.com">[email protected]</a><br> Subject: Re: [hercules-advocacy] Innovation<br> <br> On 5/24/2012 2:41 PM, John P. Hartmann wrote:<br> > Explain to me where that is different from the interactive<br> > debuggers IBM peddles.<br> <br> MVSDDT makes novel use of the Hercules-unique CTCI implementation to <br> provide communication between the server and the Java client, without the <br> need for a TCP/IP stack on MVS.<br> <br> Now that's innovation! And it's something which cannot conveniently be done <br> on a real mainframe.<br> <br> Another innovative feature of Hercules is the fact that it is freely <br> available for anyone to use. This in itself encourages innovation, because <br> products will be developed that otherwise would not have been.<br> <br> Intel-based mainframes have been traditionally viewed merely as inferior <br> clones of the IBM mainframe (a view largely encouraged by IBM, who in a <br> press release famously dismissed Hercules as "not really any different from <br> those who seek to market cheap knock-offs of brand-name clothing or<br> apparel")<br> <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/26/ibm_turbohercules_response/">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/26/ibm_turbohercules_response/</a><br> <br> The really interesting developments will focus on those things an <br> Intel-based mainframe can do that a real mainframe cannot (or at least not <br> conveniently). But it will be an uphill struggle against IBM's <br> understandable desire to squash any innovation that threatens its mainframe <br> monopoly.<br> <br> Roger Bowler<br> Hercules "the people's mainframe"<br> <br> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]<br> <br> </p> </div> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style="color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div> <div id="ygrp-actbar" style="clear: both; margin-bottom: 10px; white-space: nowrap; color: #666; padding-top: 15px;"> <div> <a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=RE%3A%20%5Bhercules-advocacy%5D%20Innovation" style="margin-right: 0; padding-right: 0;"> Reply to <span style="font-weight: 700;">sender</span></a> | <a href="mailto:[email protected]?subject=RE%3A%20%5Bhercules-advocacy%5D%20Innovation"> Reply to <span style="font-weight: 700;">group</span></a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwMHI5Y2duBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzEwMTcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMzM4MDU2NTA5?act=reply&messageNum=1017">Reply <span style="font-weight: 700;">via web post</span></a> | <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlczh1MmtwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzODA1NjUwOQ--" style="font-weight: 700;">Start a New Topic</a> </div> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy/message/1009;_ylc=X3oDMTM0MzdmYXZjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BG1zZ0lkAzEwMTcEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMzM4MDU2NTA5BHRwY0lkAzEwMDk-">Messages in this topic</a> (<span style="font-weight: 700;">9</span>) </div> <!------- Start Nav Bar ------> <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <div id="ygrp-vital" style="background-color: #e0ecee; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 10px;"> <span id="vithd" style="font-weight: bold; color: #333; text-transform: uppercase; ">Recent Activity:</span> <ul style="list-style-type: none; margin: 0; padding: 0; display: inline;"> </ul> <div style="clear: both; padding-top: 2px; color: #1e66ae;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hercules-advocacy;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaDNiN2M3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTMzODA1NjUwOQ--" style="text-decoration: none;">Visit Your Group</a> </div> </div> <div id="ft" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11px; margin-top: 5px; padding: 0 2px 0 0; clear: both;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZzI3bmwyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQwODM1ODYEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA3NzA5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzM4MDU2NTA5" style="float: left;"><img src="http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/yg/logo/us.gif" height="15" width="137" alt="Yahoo! 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