RE: Re: Full screen application Specs

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Rocky
Sent: 01 August 2010 18:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [H390-VM] Re: Full screen application Specs






Dave
 
Back in the days of VM/SP I had a lot of problems with hung users an I made
some changes to CP - 
Only in one or two places and as I remeber when I did that I no longer had
Hung users or Hung dialed terminals - But that was way before TCPIP
I can still find the fixes - but not sure that they would be relevant to
VM/6.
 
But VM/370 R6 knows nothing about TCP/IP. When you drop a session Hercules
should simulate the same conditions that occur when you power off a real
3270.
 
Any thoughts about looping thru the grafs instead of assigning the first one
that Hecules thinks is available.
 
Not sure on that. Not looked at the logic, but could  be better or worse...
 
I just tried that  on a Z/OS system - TN3270E where I can see the terminal
in the VTAM screen and I always get the next one in the pool.
even if I finsih correctly? 
 

As usuall your milage may vary. From what I remember external IP solutions
such as IBM Comms Manager for OS/2 and the MS equivalent for NT don't
cycle...
... might be worth considering...
 
I guess that logic prevents people from getting stuck on a stuck terminal
:-)
 
well yes, they just get it every "N" goes....
 
Roc



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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Dave Wade
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 20:11 
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [H390-VM] Re: Full screen application Specs


  

I think this needs Ivan or PaulG. I know there was an issue with
VM370/Hercules when we first started with VM/370 and screens were not
dropped when the IP connection was dropped and some devices were changes to
cope with this. 

I also did some wick checks and CPWATCH seems to handle this OK so it may be
worth look at that, but I could see where it did it at a brief glance...

Dave Wade G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com>  
> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Rocky
> Sent: 01 August 2010 17:39
> To: [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> 
> Subject: [H390-VM] Re: Full screen application Specs
> 
> 
> Ivan - Dave - if you saee this - pls give an opinion - 
> Problem down below
> 
> Paul in reply to your Email- NO REST FOR THE WEARY 
> 
> Today is Sunday and I am adopting your day of Rest - I need 
> it:-) Used my day of rest up yesterday. :-)
> 
> Here is an update ------ 
> 
> ALL
> 
> I made the fixes you guys pointed out and the site is now up 
> with the newer version.
> 
> That was one big BUG - The line 18 - also fixed the 5th 
> position in the action field
> 
> More important I am trying to figure out why the treminals 
> are getting stuck.
> 
> I have a theory and I am waiting for IVAN or DAVE to tell me 
> why it's wrong.Or maybe I got it right this time.
> 
> If a user gets discoonncted for some reason - unrelated to 
> the application - or if he just leaves the application in the 
> middle by closing his emulator - What I expect to happen, is 
> that Hercules will somehow notify CP and CP will reset the 
> graf and the graf at least will get the VM LOGON - 
> 
> The appication should also get an interrupt of some kind - 
> Not exactly sure - IVAN ???? any ideas what I should expect 
> to see in the CSW
> 
> Depending on where we are in the application - Right now If I 
> am in a wait state on the device, and I get an interrupt - in 
> most cases, I probably treat it as an attention interrupt. 
> 
> So I go do a read which will eventually fail and then either 
> I am probably going back to wait or send a message that an 
> invalid key was pressed.
> 
> Need a better definition of how to handle and identify this 
> interrupt if I am getting it. 
> 
> But from what we see is that the USERS are getting to 
> hercules and no further- 
> 
> They get the hercules SCREEN - which means that Hercules 
> accepted them, but they can't get to VM because VM still 
> thinks the graf that hercules is choosing is DIALED to the 
> application.
> 
> So three questions here.
> 
> 1) why is VM not resetting the graph?
> 2) what is the exact flavor of the CSW when this interrupt occurrs.
> 3) Should Hercules move on to the next device in the pool if 
> no response from this one.
> 
> I am pretty sure that modern ZOS systems loop thru the 
> terminals in the TCPIP pool, even if a session was completed 
> successfully - 
> 
> You dont keep getting the same terminal but you usually get 
> the next one in the pool.
> 
> Meanwhile I added an inactivity timer to the program - Made 
> it short 15 minutes on the EDIT screens and 20 on the BROWSE 
> (If you don't press something it will throw you out - No warning)
> 
> On the FLIST 10 minutes and the other small screens at the 
> beginning I think only 5,
> 
> So hopefully - if it works = It will do the reset to the graf 
> from the application. and after that Hercules should be able 
> to find VM again - That's ok for now but we need a another 
> solution that is not a work-around but that analyzes the CSW 
> if thats possible.
> 
> All of the above is theory - Not prooven fact yet.
> 
> I am pretty sure the application is running- because I 
> configured my emulator to use the LUNAME option and went to 
> a diffeernt graf - not the first one but a specific one at 
> the end of list and all worked while the first prt was stuck 
> on the Hercules screen
> 
> Grafs 0C0-0CF are defined - so if anybody gets stuck on the 
> Hercules screen I'd appreciate if you could try one the 
> higher numbers and see if that works, and of course let us 
> know what happens.
> 
> Probably need some INPUT from IVAN here.
> 
> As far as the application is concerned I have decided that if 
> there are no drastic changes or bugs I am ready to go to the 
> BETA stage - 
> 
> For me that means writing output to the disk.
> 
> Please - everybody try playing around with it - and BUGS or 
> ERRORS are appreiciated - Other suggestions also.
> 
> Significant things that are missing that I can think of are:
> 
> CHANGE COMMAND
> FIND as opposed to SEARCH which we have.
> HEX 
> 
> (And some highlighting and cursor field settings for certain 
> screens) - all comments are welcome.
> 
> I'll wait a few days and if nothing big comes up I'll add the 
> write. That will be the BETA
> 
> I quess we can accept some LIMITATIONS in the functionality 
> that we can fix in the future as long as it does not crash 
> and destroy anything.
> 
> We can live with LIMITATIONS, but not ERRORS
> 
> As usual - advice and suggestions are appreciated - If you 
> don't know how to get in just ask
> 
> If anybody wants the current AWS tape with the applicatin I 
> can send it - Rather not send sources yet unless you want 
> them for developing something else or just to look - 
> 
> They are also on the server as well and you can look at them 
> there with the full screen browse or editior - 
> 
> Suggest that for deep understanding that you look at the 
> listings because most of the good stuff is in MACROS which 
> don't show up in the code but are genned in the listing.
> 
> ( Logic of the app is being changed dynamically and I don't 
> want to answer questions about yesterdays application LOGIC).
> 
> But the IO and tasking Routines are pretty stable 
> 
> If you want the tape you can install it locally and have fun 
> or try looking at the listings
> 
> Source will be out on the publc site in the future -
> 
> 
> Roc
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"paoloG" <crc@...> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Rocky" <rocsystems@> wrote:
> > >
> > > thanks for the kudos
> > > 
> > > Well the sabbath is a day of rest so I only worked 3 hiours today 
> > > ---
> > 
> > Rocky,
> > 
> > Sabbath should be nearly finished...If you can see at least three 
> > stars in the sky you can go back to your programming job :-)
> > 
> > On the contrary soon I'll start our rest day (in Italian 'Domenica' 
> > that means more or less : 'Our Lord's Day'..;-)
> > 
> > Regards.
> > 
> > Paul
> >
> 
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