Re: Announcing the VM/370 and VM/380 "SixPack" version 1.2 release candidate 1!

That link has nothing to do with people getting
sued/BSD-vs-PD etc.  It's a request/demand for 
people to make source code available in certain
life-critical situations. Mainly talking about
commercial (ie copyright - not even BSD) software.

BFN.  Paul.




--- In [email protected], "Dave" <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
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> http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2010/07/why-free-software-i
> s-a-matter-of-life-and-death/index.htm
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> kerravon86
> Sent: 10 October 2010 23:10
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [H390-VM] Re: Announcing the VM/370 and VM/380 "SixPack" version
> 1.2 release candidate 1!
> 
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> --- In [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dave"
> <dave.g4ugm@> wrote:
> >
> 
> This was a discussion about protection for the author.
> 
> > I expect some already has been sued..
> 
> I don't. Sue a PD author for their software not
> living up to some expectation?
> 
> > .. and as others have pointed out if you don't 
> > explicitly release into the
> > public domain it has an implicit copyright slapped on it in law.
> 
> Yes, I'm one of those "others".
> 
> > From what I can see the BSD licences are the nearest 
> > thing to public domain
> > you can get whilst still acknowledging authorship.
> 
> Yes, I don't dispute that. If the intention is
> to get acknowledgment, then by all means, slap a
> BSD copyright on.
> 
> I just dispute the bit that BSD copyright gives more 
> "protection" from being sued, and that THAT is a 
> reason to put a BSD copyright notice on.
> 
> If you just want to say that "I would add a disclaimer
> to the PD code for protection", I wouldn't dispute
> that. I don't do it personally because I don't
> subscribe to the myth that PD authors get sued 5 times
> every day for a free product and having been bitten
> so many times, massive disclaimers are required.
> 
> But if you want to recommend to PD authors that PD
> is fine, but you can get theoretical added protection
> by adding a disclaimer, like the one found in the
> BSD licence - without the copyright notice - I won't
> argue on a theoretical like that.
> 
> BFN. Paul.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of
> > kerravon86
> > Sent: 10 October 2010 22:42
> > To: [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > Subject: [H390-VM] Re: Announcing the VM/370 and VM/380 "SixPack" version
> > 1.2 release candidate 1!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dave"
> > <dave.g4ugm@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It has some disclaimers that may help if some one 
> > > says you gave them the
> > > code for a purpose and then claim its not fit for the purpose.
> > 
> > I'd like to see the day someone attempts to claim
> > that about public domain code.
> > 
> > Regardless, you can add disclaimers to your code
> > without slapping the copyright on it.
> > 
> > BFN. Paul.
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > Behalf Of
> > > kerravon86
> > > Sent: 10 October 2010 12:41
> > > To: [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> 
> > > Subject: [H390-VM] Re: Announcing the VM/370 and VM/380 "SixPack"
> version
> > > 1.2 release candidate 1!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:H390-VM%40yahoogroups.com> , "Dave"
> > > <dave.g4ugm@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you want to grant as many rights as possible, and 
> > > > yet protect yourself a little then I suggest BSD.
> > > 
> > > Protect from what?
> > > 
> > > BSD just ensures that you get creditted at some
> > > level for your work.
> > > 
> > > And then of course, if you don't think you got
> > > creditted sufficiently, you are free to take the
> > > user to court.
> > > 
> > > So to protect the user (ie developer) from the
> > > fear of courts, I use public domain. Not possible
> > > for me to take someone to court. I'm no longer
> > > the owner. The public is.
> > > 
> > > I don't consider the job to be done until it's in
> > > the public domain. So e.g. we'll eventually have
> > > an unrestricted C compiler for MVS (GCC) in another 
> > > 140 years or thereabouts, when the copyright expires.
> > > 
> > > PDPCLIB doesn't require the 140 year wait.
> > > 
> > > BFN. Paul.
> > >
> >
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