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> Simon Williams wrote:
> I have finally got round to giving the Turnkey 3 Update Beta a go
> and have achieved some success, particularly in that I now have a
> viable JES3 installation. I fed back my experiences to Carlos and
> he has asked me to share them with the group.
> I was a standard Turnkey 3 system, built from the starter system
> using the sysgen instructions on the CD.
So as to be clear about your setup, you have 2 separate environments. One =
that you built from starter system up and the other TK3UPD BETA?
> The machine I am running on is a Toshiba i686 laptop with Nvidia
> graphics running Debian Squeeze (all packages up to date as of
> Saturday). My Hercules is 3.07 as packaged for Debian. I had added
> extra printers, readers, terminals, tapes drives and lots of DASD to
> the Turnkey 3 system and had the number of CPUs set to 2, but the
> sysgen was standard (as I have not yet managed to find instructions
> for rerunning the sysgen for an existing system).
Am not sure if the jobstreams for IOGEN or MINIGEN were ever posted.
> Everything worked reasonably well, although I had not got startrek
> to work under TSO, it just told me it didn't exist!
Possible that JES3 parmlib entries don't have all that is needed yet. JES3=
is very new addition to TK3 so there may be many issues to be resolved. =
=20
=20
> Once I had loaded the updates (just unzip the downloaded archive
> into the directory containing conf, dasd, etc.),
Hmmm, not correct. TK3UPD is a self contained environment. Unzipping it i=
nto already populated directories may give unpredictable results.
It does not have the CBT or MVS source DASD, but every thing else should be=
there. See post:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/turnkey-mvs/message/6781
Don't have the README.TXT handy right now, but don't believe I mentioned ov=
erlaying anything already existing.
To regain use of CBT and MVS source DASD you can copy them into the DASD di=
rectory. At least I believe I left the entries in the tk3upd.conf file.
> I IPL'd the emulator and (after some very scary messages during the
> initial JES2 startup and subsequent failure!) managed to do a cold
> start of JES2 and all looked reasonably good.
Sounds like normal initial JES2 start, thought that was mentioned in the Tu=
rnkey Cookbook but don't see it currently.
> One point I did note was that CMD1 abends S106 on every startup.
Under JES2 or JES3 ? Either way possible side effect of mixing system buil=
t previously with TK3UPD. If JES3 only, then possible parmlib or memory si=
ze issue.
> I then tried amending the config to include NUMCPU=3D2 and
> consistently had a problem with a processor spin being detected on
> the second CPU. This happened occasionally with the original
> Turnkey 3 installation, but now happens consistently. I have fallen
> back to a single CPU and that seems to be fine.
This has been a intermittent issue for a while which I would like to resolv=
e. Did your initial build of TK3 from scratch add all the PTFs or did you =
build as Jay Moseley's build with minimum PTFs ?
Which Hercules versions have you used and did one in particular permit usin=
g 2 CPUs without many problems?
> When I originally tried to start JES3 (IPL and then r 00, sysp=3Dj3),
> I had a problem as it was complaining that it didn't have a console
> on device 0009 (it has been moved to 001F).
And it may have been moved back to 009. I can't remember right now what th=
e issue was but a post mentioned 01F which is no longer correct if it was m=
oved back to 009. Believe the address is in the JES3INISH deck.=20
> It was also complaining about a missing printer at 030F and a
> missing console on 00C6.
30F is known issue, 0C6 is something which I don't recall at all.
> I added these by duplicating the telnet definition on 001F for
> 0009, duplicating the printer on 030E (with a different file name)
> for 030F and adding a 3270 device on 00C6. All terminals are=20
> connected before IPL, that is telnet x 2 for devices 0009 and 001F
> and X3270 x 6 for devices 0010, 0011, 00C0, 00C1, 00C2 and 00C6.
> Once I had done this, JES3 started with no problems.
> <WARNING> (and off-topic,
><snip>
> Once I had this up and running, I tried logging in to TSO, which
> worked, but I got a couple of abend messages during statup and my
> brief testing (the other half was nagging me to stop playing with my
> toys as we had important stuff to do!) showed that although TSO was
> functional, there are problems with it.
=20=20
> Startrek couldn't find a couple of files (although it didn't run at
> all in the original, so it was a step in the right direction), but
> more worryingly RPF would not run.
STARTREK has issues due to the load modules which were part of the CBT file=
35, quick add of modules, are depending upon Fortran runtime libraries TK3=
doesn't have. We only have G & H. The source for STARTREK on CBT is for =
a later version of Fortran. The fix is minor in that a format statement ne=
eds to be added for input variables. The fix is major in that it needs ove=
r 100 of these to be 'fixed'.
RPF and other things may be due to PARMLIB entries missing for JES3.
> For me at least, this is all a step in the right direction, I have a
> usable JES3. I will continue to look at it and see if I can sort
> out any of the problems, but if anyone has any ideas I would be
> grateful.
Please post your experiences and suggestions. TK3UPD is still considered A=
LPHA, BETA or FINAL depending upon what an individual's usage may be. When=
I get through playing with SORT and court issues, my intention is to retur=
n to it for a final distribution.
After that TK4 proper will start with a new base install as there is a prob=
lem with some PTFs in TK3.=20
> One small point I feel I need to make is that I have seen in a
> number of places people claiming that '*' and '8' are
> interchangeable as command prefixes in JES3. They are NOT. it is
> just that the difference doesn't matter in a single main jesplex.
> '*' prefixes a global command, to be sent to all mains in the
> jesplex and '8' prefixes a local command that is processed by the
> local main only. Not wishing to be pedantic, but I am hoping one
> day to get into the position where this DOES matter to me and
> hopefully others as well!
That would probably be me. Due to my experience with JES3. We had 2 JES3 =
images running in the shop. Both were Global IIRC. We later moved to JES2=
on both.=20=20=20=20
> Lastly, could anyone tell me where I can find the system definitions
> used in the sysgen for the Turnkey 3 update. As detailed above, I
> have a number of non-standard devices defined to my old Turnkey
> system and need to find sensible device addresses for them on the
> updated system. Without the sysgen details, I don't know what
> device addresses have been defined as what devices.
In the files section:
TK3CFG3.txt - TK3 Update Configuration - BETA
Phil
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<p>> Simon Williams wrote:<br>
<br>
> I have finally got round to giving the Turnkey 3 Update Beta a go<br>
> and have achieved some success, particularly in that I now have a<br>
> viable JES3 installation. I fed back my experiences to Carlos and<br>
> he has asked me to share them with the group.<br>
<br>
> I was a standard Turnkey 3 system, built from the starter system<br>
> using the sysgen instructions on the CD.<br>
<br>
So as to be clear about your setup, you have 2 separate environments. One that you built from starter system up and the other TK3UPD BETA?<br>
<br>
> The machine I am running on is a Toshiba i686 laptop with Nvidia<br>
> graphics running Debian Squeeze (all packages up to date as of<br>
> Saturday). My Hercules is 3.07 as packaged for Debian. I had added<br>
> extra printers, readers, terminals, tapes drives and lots of DASD to<br>
> the Turnkey 3 system and had the number of CPUs set to 2, but the<br>
> sysgen was standard (as I have not yet managed to find instructions<br>
> for rerunning the sysgen for an existing system).<br>
<br>
Am not sure if the jobstreams for IOGEN or MINIGEN were ever posted.<br>
<br>
> Everything worked reasonably well, although I had not got startrek<br>
> to work under TSO, it just told me it didn't exist!<br>
<br>
Possible that JES3 parmlib entries don't have all that is needed yet. JES3 is very new addition to TK3 so there may be many issues to be resolved. <br>
<br>
> Once I had loaded the updates (just unzip the downloaded archive<br>
> into the directory containing conf, dasd, etc.),<br>
<br>
Hmmm, not correct. TK3UPD is a self contained environment. Unzipping it into already populated directories may give unpredictable results.<br>
<br>
It does not have the CBT or MVS source DASD, but every thing else should be there. See post:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/turnkey-mvs/message/6781">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/turnkey-mvs/message/6781</a><br>
<br>
Don't have the README.TXT handy right now, but don't believe I mentioned overlaying anything already existing.<br>
<br>
To regain use of CBT and MVS source DASD you can copy them into the DASD directory. At least I believe I left the entries in the tk3upd.conf file.<br>
<br>
> I IPL'd the emulator and (after some very scary messages during the<br>
> initial JES2 startup and subsequent failure!) managed to do a cold<br>
> start of JES2 and all looked reasonably good.<br>
<br>
Sounds like normal initial JES2 start, thought that was mentioned in the Turnkey Cookbook but don't see it currently.<br>
<br>
> One point I did note was that CMD1 abends S106 on every startup.<br>
<br>
Under JES2 or JES3 ? Either way possible side effect of mixing system built previously with TK3UPD. If JES3 only, then possible parmlib or memory size issue.<br>
<br>
> I then tried amending the config to include NUMCPU=2 and<br>
> consistently had a problem with a processor spin being detected on<br>
> the second CPU. This happened occasionally with the original<br>
> Turnkey 3 installation, but now happens consistently. I have fallen<br>
> back to a single CPU and that seems to be fine.<br>
<br>
This has been a intermittent issue for a while which I would like to resolve. Did your initial build of TK3 from scratch add all the PTFs or did you build as Jay Moseley's build with minimum PTFs ?<br>
<br>
Which Hercules versions have you used and did one in particular permit using 2 CPUs without many problems?<br>
<br>
> When I originally tried to start JES3 (IPL and then r 00, sysp=j3),<br>
> I had a problem as it was complaining that it didn't have a console<br>
> on device 0009 (it has been moved to 001F).<br>
<br>
And it may have been moved back to 009. I can't remember right now what the issue was but a post mentioned 01F which is no longer correct if it was moved back to 009. Believe the address is in the JES3INISH deck. <br>
<br>
> It was also complaining about a missing printer at 030F and a<br>
> missing console on 00C6.<br>
<br>
30F is known issue, 0C6 is something which I don't recall at all.<br>
<br>
> I added these by duplicating the telnet definition on 001F for<br>
> 0009, duplicating the printer on 030E (with a different file name)<br>
> for 030F and adding a 3270 device on 00C6. All terminals are <br>
> connected before IPL, that is telnet x 2 for devices 0009 and 001F<br>
> and X3270 x 6 for devices 0010, 0011, 00C0, 00C1, 00C2 and 00C6.<br>
> Once I had done this, JES3 started with no problems.<br>
<br>
> <WARNING> (and off-topic,<br>
<br>
><snip><br>
<br>
> Once I had this up and running, I tried logging in to TSO, which<br>
> worked, but I got a couple of abend messages during statup and my<br>
> brief testing (the other half was nagging me to stop playing with my<br>
> toys as we had important stuff to do!) showed that although TSO was<br>
> functional, there are problems with it.<br>
<br>
> Startrek couldn't find a couple of files (although it didn't run at<br>
> all in the original, so it was a step in the right direction), but<br>
> more worryingly RPF would not run.<br>
<br>
STARTREK has issues due to the load modules which were part of the CBT file 35, quick add of modules, are depending upon Fortran runtime libraries TK3 doesn't have. We only have G & H. The source for STARTREK on CBT is for a later version of Fortran. The fix is minor in that a format statement needs to be added for input variables. The fix is major in that it needs over 100 of these to be 'fixed'.<br>
<br>
RPF and other things may be due to PARMLIB entries missing for JES3.<br>
<br>
> For me at least, this is all a step in the right direction, I have a<br>
> usable JES3. I will continue to look at it and see if I can sort<br>
> out any of the problems, but if anyone has any ideas I would be<br>
> grateful.<br>
<br>
Please post your experiences and suggestions. TK3UPD is still considered ALPHA, BETA or FINAL depending upon what an individual's usage may be. When I get through playing with SORT and court issues, my intention is to return to it for a final distribution.<br>
<br>
After that TK4 proper will start with a new base install as there is a problem with some PTFs in TK3. <br>
<br>
> One small point I feel I need to make is that I have seen in a<br>
> number of places people claiming that '*' and '8' are<br>
> interchangeable as command prefixes in JES3. They are NOT. it is<br>
> just that the difference doesn't matter in a single main jesplex.<br>
> '*' prefixes a global command, to be sent to all mains in the<br>
> jesplex and '8' prefixes a local command that is processed by the<br>
> local main only. Not wishing to be pedantic, but I am hoping one<br>
> day to get into the position where this DOES matter to me and<br>
> hopefully others as well!<br>
<br>
That would probably be me. Due to my experience with JES3. We had 2 JES3 images running in the shop. Both were Global IIRC. We later moved to JES2 on both. <br>
<br>
> Lastly, could anyone tell me where I can find the system definitions<br>
> used in the sysgen for the Turnkey 3 update. As detailed above, I<br>
> have a number of non-standard devices defined to my old Turnkey<br>
> system and need to find sensible device addresses for them on the<br>
> updated system. Without the sysgen details, I don't know what<br>
> device addresses have been defined as what devices.<br>
<br>
In the files section:<br>
<br>
TK3CFG3.txt - TK3 Update Configuration - BETA<br>
<br>
Phil<br>
<br>
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margin: 0 0 1em 0;
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