RE: WineX and the AFPL

> On May 30, 2002 08:47 am, Sean C. Farley wrote:
> > I keep hearing this, but if the license was changed to
> > convert/influence/force/whatever companies, then it was NOT 
> out of fun.
> > If it was for fun, no one would have worried themselves 
> about anything
> > TransGaming did.
> 
> This is BS, and you should know that. It all depends on how 
> you have fun.
> If you jus want to code, and *don't* care what happens to the project,
> the BSD license is for you, I agree. If you like to code 
> *and* have strong
> feeling about the project, the (L)GPL license is more appropriate.
> 
> This is like having sex/children. That is, some people are 
> content to just
> have sex all their lives, without caring to have children. 
> Most other though
> enjoy having sex, but they want kids as well. Obviously, the 
> analogy I'm
> trying to make here is sex=coding, children=project :). 
> Nobody denies that
> the sex/coding thing is the fun part ;). Now, if you don't 
> care about the
> result of your fun, you're a BSD guy, 'cause you only like to 
> share. On the
> other hand, if you care about the well being of said result, 
> you may be
> willing to even give up a little on the fun part to protect 
> it. Most people
> actually do that -- they do give up quite a bit of fun to 
> have & protect
> (their) kids.
> 
> This analogy is not completely out to lunch. 

Intresting analogy.

> Most people feel a *very*
> strong paternal feeling towards the projects where they put 
> their heart
> and soul. It's "their baby". If you don't understand that, 
> you (1) you've
> never experienced it, and (2) miss out big. Think about this before
> accusing the LGPL proponents, and try to understand that line of
> reasoning. 

Oh, I do understand, that is not the problem.

> It's actually quite reasonable, 'cause we not only 
> love coding,
> (and BTW we have quite a code base to prove it), but we also 
> love Wine.

Agreed.

> And like any parent, we want only but the best for it.

We have been through this before and again there is a difference between
the MEANS and the GOALS.

Almost all parent want what is best for their child. That is the GOAL.
However first of all it is an rather unclear goal. But that is not
really the main problem. I guess you can get most parents to agree on
quite a few thing that are important.

The real problem is what MEANS should be used to accieve the goals.
This is almost impossible to agree on.

The same things goes for politics. The disagreements in politics mostly
concerns the MEANS not the goals eventhough there are ideologicial
difference that makes the goals differ as well. However that is in my
experience the exception rather than the rule.

Back to Wine. We doesn't really disagree on the goals, that is not the
problem. The means (the LGPL) is the problem. Please focus on that
instead of trying to sell the goal to people that already mostly agree.